bucy wrote:
] ] Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger was elected pope today, taking
] ] the name Benedict XVI, after the tolling of bells rang
] ] out over St. Peter's square and white smoke drifted from
] ] a Sistine Chapel chimney signaling that the cardinals
] ] meeting for a second day had chosen a new leader of the
] ] Roman Catholic Church.
]
] Super conservative. At least he's way old -- he turned 78
] just recently.

My gf said it best. "Pope Benedict Nazi XVI"

flynn23 wrote:
] bucy wrote:
] ] ] Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger was elected pope today, taking
] ] ] the name Benedict XVI, after the tolling of bells rang
] ] ] out over St. Peter's square and white smoke drifted from
] ] ] a Sistine Chapel chimney signaling that the cardinals
] ] ] meeting for a second day had chosen a new leader of the
] ] ] Roman Catholic Church.
] ]
] ] Super conservative. At least he's way old -- he turned 78
] ] just recently.
]
] My gf said it best. "Pope Benedict Nazi XVI"

Who would name a Pope after eggs? Oh well, Catholicism has never been more irrelevant imho anyway.

flynn23 wrote:
] bucy wrote:
] ] ] Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger was elected pope today, taking
] ] ] the name Benedict XVI, after the tolling of bells rang
] ] ] out over St. Peter's square and white smoke drifted from
] ] ] a Sistine Chapel chimney signaling that the cardinals
] ] ] meeting for a second day had chosen a new leader of the
] ] ] Roman Catholic Church.
] ]
] ] Super conservative. At least he's way old -- he turned 78
] ] just recently.
]
] My gf said it best. "Pope Benedict Nazi XVI"

Then may your girlfriend either:

1.) Die painfully from a bad case of clitoral cancer.
2.) Join the Catholic Church, at which point someone may actually entertain her ignorant opinion for a few seconds.
3.) Realize that she's just as bad as the Nazis for her fucking cheap stereotpye of the Germans as Nazis.

For your information, everyone in Germany was forced to work for the Nazi government, and all youth were indoctrinated into Hitler Youth. Ratzinger managed to get out of it to become a Catholic Priest (another group of people persecuted by the nazis, you ignorant shit). You claim to be so liberal, but that's a joke, since you as racist and oppressive as the worst cracker in Alabama.
If he were black and coservative, would you compare him to Idi Amin? If he were Chinese and conservative, would he be compared to Chairman Mao? How about italian? Would that make him Mussolini? I doubt it. Lose your petty racist views. You aren't even Catholic , you moron, so nothing the Pope does affects you anyway. Get your head out of your girlfriend's cunt and take hers out of her own asshole. You cocksuckers make me sick. I wish I had a "kill user" button on my keyboard. I would gladly use it on you. Tonight I will content myself to pray that some german nazi breaks into your house tonight and rapes and murders you both. Fucking assholes. Oh, and Dworkin's dead. Don't cry too hard!

Vile wrote:
] flynn23 wrote:
] ] bucy wrote:
] ] ] ] Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger was elected pope today, taking
]
] ] ] ] the name Benedict XVI, after the tolling of bells rang
] ] ] ] out over St. Peter's square and white smoke drifted from
]
] ] ] ] a Sistine Chapel chimney signaling that the cardinals
] ] ] ] meeting for a second day had chosen a new leader of the
] ] ] ] Roman Catholic Church.
] ] ]
] ] ] Super conservative. At least he's way old -- he turned 78
]
] ] ] just recently.
] ]
] ] My gf said it best. "Pope Benedict Nazi XVI"

Well, for one, I was joking. But hmm... let's see...

] For your information, everyone in Germany was forced to work
] for the Nazi government,

wrong. There were plenty of people who were not forced to work until after the war started. In most cases, they were the old, the infirm, women, and 'undesireables'. They didn't even start concentrating those people into work camps until 1942. There were plenty of people who lived in Germany that would never be allowed to work for the Nazis.

] and all youth were indoctrinated into
] Hitler Youth.

Definitely wrong. Membership for boys wasn't mandatory until 1939, and that still didn't encompass all youth. First, you had to be 10 years old at least. Second, Arion's were preferred and obviously anyone without the proper blood lines were refused (ie Jews, blacks, emegres). Considering that Germany's populace even in 1939 when the war started was dominated by non-Arion Germans, then it's safe to say that not all youth were indoctrinated.

] Ratzinger managed to get out of it to become a
] Catholic Priest

Wrong again. Ratzinger was indeed a member of Hitler Youth, although there's little information about his participation and I'm sure he won't be too forthcoming about it either.

] (another group of people persecuted by the
] nazis, you ignorant shit).

Bullshit. While the party line from the Nazis might have been anti-Catholic, there's NUMEROUS examples of the Vatican cavorting about with the Reich, including some very famous pictures of Pius XII and Hitler hanging out. Not only were Berlin and the Vatican tight, there are many examples of the Vatican assisting the Nazis (particularly in regards to the "Jewish Problem") and profiting from their European conquests. Many priceless works of art were stolen from churchs in Poland, France, and Russia and brought back to the Vatican, never to be seen again. Catholics were not persecuted by the Nazis, they were merely tolerated. Gays, artists, Jews, Muslims... those were people that were persecuted.

] You claim to be so liberal, but
] that's a joke, since you as racist and oppressive as the worst
] cracker in Alabama.

I've not claimed to be liberal, simply rational. And I can guarantee that I'm not racist.

] If he were black and coservative, wou... [ Read More (0.2k in body) ]

flynn23 wrote:
] ] Ratzinger managed to get out of it to become a
] ] Catholic Priest
]
] Wrong again. Ratzinger was indeed a member of Hitler Youth,
] although there's little information about his participation
] and I'm sure he won't be too forthcoming about it either.

To be honest, the press has reported that he tried to leave the organization and he wasn't a particularly ethusiastic member. In any event, I really don't care if he was in the Hitler Youth. That was decades ago. I'm concerned about the man he is today. And there appears to be some cause for concern in terms of his viewpoint being more conservative then that of many Catholics. However, its really too early to tell what kind of Pope he'll be.

Decius wrote:
] flynn23 wrote:
] ] ] Ratzinger managed to get out of it to become a
] ] ] Catholic Priest
] ]
] ] Wrong again. Ratzinger was indeed a member of Hitler Youth,
] ] although there's little information about his participation
] ] and I'm sure he won't be too forthcoming about it either.
]
] To be honest, the press has reported that he tried to leave
] the organization and he wasn't a particularly ethusiastic
] member. In any event, I really don't care if he was in the
] Hitler Youth. That was decades ago.

True. But in the same way that we can get all hot n bothered by a presidential candidates alleged non-toke or desk job in the Guard, I'm sure that this is somewhat of a judgement of character.

] I'm concerned about the
] man he is today. And there appears to be some cause for
] concern in terms of his viewpoint being more conservative then
] that of many Catholics. However, its really too early to tell
] what kind of Pope he'll be.

yes, only time will tell since having the office will enable him to exercise it. Of course, absolute power corrupts absolutely. The headlines might as well read: Catholics Get New CEO.

flynn23 wrote:

] True. But in the same way that we can get all hot n bothered
] by a presidential candidates alleged non-toke or desk job in
] the Guard, I'm sure that this is somewhat of a judgement of
] character.

I don't get hot n bothered about that stuff, in general. I don't think its constructive. Every politician has a built in base of enemies, and those enemies are searching for anything that they can use to discredit that politician. You ought to be focused on who the person's team is and how they are going to handle policy matters. Instead, any attack, no matter how irrelevent or dumb, is considered acceptable. And so we get the politicians we deserve. Bred for the job from birth and totally corrupted by it.

As the internet age rises it will be increasingly possible to apply these kinds of flippant objections to anyone applying for any job, as so much of what we think and do will increasingly be a public record, such as this very conversation. A mere suggestion that you might have associated with hackers, for example, will bar you from certain opportunities even if the "judgement of character" implied by this suggestion is completely unreasonable and the evidence is totally taken out of context.

In this case the suggestion that he was involved with the Hitler Youth is not really important. The question is, is he a Nazi? I have some degree of faith that the Catholic Church would not have elevated him to such a post were that the case.

Decius wrote:
] flynn23 wrote:
]
] ] True. But in the same way that we can get all hot n bothered
]
] ] by a presidential candidates alleged non-toke or desk job in
]
] ] the Guard, I'm sure that this is somewhat of a judgement of
] ] character.
]
] I don't get hot n bothered about that stuff, in general. I
] don't think its constructive. Every politician has a built in
] base of enemies, and those enemies are searching for anything
] that they can use to discredit that politician. You ought to
] be focused on who the person's team is and how they are going
] to handle policy matters. Instead, any attack, no matter how
] irrelevent or dumb, is considered acceptable. And so we get
] the politicians we deserve. Bred for the job from birth and
] totally corrupted by it.
]
] As the internet age rises it will be increasingly possible to
] apply these kinds of flippant objections to anyone applying
] for any job, as so much of what we think and do will
] increasingly be a public record, such as this very
] conversation. A mere suggestion that you might have associated
] with hackers, for example, will bar you from certain
] opportunities even if the "judgement of character" implied by
] this suggestion is completely unreasonable and the evidence is
] totally taken out of context.
]
] In this case the suggestion that he was involved with the
] Hitler Youth is not really important. The question is, is he a
] Nazi? I have some degree of faith that the Catholic Church
] would not have elevated him to such a post were that the case.

I totally agree with you. I think there's some credence in "history shows us what's probable for the future" - it's certainly not avoidable. Look at the statistical evidence. But I agree that in matters of character it's much more about who you are now, not who you were. As at some point, we were all young and stupid. In some cases, we're old and stupid.

In the case of the Pope, I don't really care if he was in Hitler Youth. Although I do have issues with the fact that he was just previously head of the component of the Church which was formally responsible for the Inquisition. And he's been vocally more fundamentalist. I still like to make fun of him by calling him a Nazi Kraut though, just to get Vile all riled up.

flynn23 wrote:
] Vile wrote:
] ] flynn23 wrote:
] ] ] bucy wrote:
] ] ] ] ] Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger was elected pope today,
] taking
] ]
] ] ] ] ] the name Benedict XVI, after the tolling of bells rang
]
] ] ] ] ] out over St. Peter's square and white smoke drifted
] from
] ]
] ] ] ] ] a Sistine Chapel chimney signaling that the cardinals
] ] ] ] ] meeting for a second day had chosen a new leader of
] the
] ] ] ] ] Roman Catholic Church.
] ] ] ]
] ] ] ] Super conservative. At least he's way old -- he turned
] 78
] ]
] ] ] ] just recently.
] ] ]
] ] ] My gf said it best. "Pope Benedict Nazi XVI"
]
] Well, for one, I was joking. But hmm... let's see...
]
] ] For your information, everyone in Germany was forced to work
]
] ] for the Nazi government,
]
] wrong. There were plenty of people who were not forced to work
] until after the war started. In most cases, they were the old,
] the infirm, women, and 'undesireables'. They didn't even start
] concentrating those people into work camps until 1942. There
] were plenty of people who lived in Germany that would never be
] allowed to work for the Nazis.

Oh sorry, flynn. I didn't consider the "undesirables" (check the spelling on that one, corky) to be humans at all! Silly me. I'll restate that: The every HUMAN in Germany was forced to work for the Nazi Government, especially by 1942.
]
] ] and all youth were indoctrinated into
] ] Hitler Youth.
]
] Definitely wrong. Membership for boys wasn't mandatory until
] 1939, and that still didn't encompass all youth. First, you
] had to be 10 years old at least. Second, Arion's were
] preferred and obviously anyone without the proper blood lines
] were refused (ie Jews, blacks, emegres). Considering that
] Germany's populace even in 1939 when the war started was
] dominated by non-Arion Germans, then it's safe to say that not
] all youth were indoctrinated.

Also, you know so little of the climate of the times in Germany. Hitler had taken Germany from the dumper to new heights and most people supported him for this reason alone. They had no idea that he would ever set the wheels of the holocaust in motion. Nationalism and blind faith are pretty scary concepts when mixed together. For instance, flynn, I doubt you cared too much about innocent Iraqi lives when it was Bill Clinton bombing the shit out of them. You probably didn't worry too much about our personal freedoms disappearing here in the states at the time, either. Well, if Hitler was a democrat running against George Bush, you would probably support him, I would guess. Most of the average German citizens had no inkling of the pernicious nature of the nazi regime until it was too late.
]
] ] Ratzinger managed to get out of i... [ Read More (0.8k in body) ]

fuck Catholicism nazis rule!. join the hitler youth before the church.
NAZI SCHOOL BUS PARTY 2005!

hitlerfun wrote:
] fuck Catholicism nazis rule!. join the hitler youth before the
] church.
] NAZI SCHOOL BUS PARTY 2005!

Uh, there is no Hitler Youth anymore. Sorry to break it to you, man.

bucy wrote:
] ] Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger was elected pope today, taking
] ] the name Benedict XVI, after the tolling of bells rang
] ] out over St. Peter's square and white smoke drifted from
] ] a Sistine Chapel chimney signaling that the cardinals
] ] meeting for a second day had chosen a new leader of the
] ] Roman Catholic Church.
]
] Super conservative. At least he's way old -- he turned 78
] just recently.

Bucy, what the fuck difference does it make to you? Honestly, you are probably not even a Catholic, so why do you care what stance the pope has on anything? Aren't religions supposed to be a bit conservative? Relativism would constantly shift faith to and fro, so it's impractical. That is not intrinsically a bad thing. They are a religion and they believe what they believe. I'd rather respect a religion that sticks with its supposed beliefs (even if it is mickey mouse bullshit) than change them because some assholes within think they know more than the central diety (which probably caused all the messes within spiritual religion anyway). I hope this pope outlives you, you stupid asshole.

Vile wrote:
] You are probably not even a Catholic, so why do you care what
] stance the pope has on anything?

You've asked two people to answer this question. It ought to be perfectly obvious. The Pope is a world figure who has international influence. People will follow him where ever he leads. A more conservative Pope is likely to lead to more conservative Catholics, which will lead to more conservative governments. So that does impact people who aren't Catholic. It makes sense to observe where the Catholic church is moving.

Decius wrote:
] Vile wrote:
] ] You are probably not even a Catholic, so why do you care
] what
] ] stance the pope has on anything?
]
] You've asked two people to answer this question. It ought to
] be perfectly obvious. The Pope is a world figure who has
] international influence. People will follow him where ever he
] leads. A more conservative Pope is likely to lead to more
] conservative Catholics, which will lead to more conservative
] governments. So that does impact people who aren't Catholic.
] It makes sense to observe where the Catholic church is moving.

Well, you can always move to China, Cuba, or North Korea, where I can assure you the Catholic Church has little influence. Conservatism is good, Tom. Not perfect, but good. I think you bean counters at memestreams really ought to lose your delusions of importance as political analysts. Go back to recomminding things. That was the intent of the site. Now we have a few assholes (led by you, the king of the assholes) who exclusively use the site as a political forum. It's stupid, divisive and not even amusing. Really, you'd do better to help this thing realize its full potential, rather than stifling it under a wash of liberal rhetoric. This recommends nothing to me, nor is it particularly enlightening.

Vile wrote:
] Conservatism is good, Tom. Not perfect, but good.

There is a need for more conservative political views on MemeStreams.

] I think you bean counters at memestreams really ought to lose
] your delusions of importance as political analysts.
] Go back to recomminding things. That was the intent of the site.

You don't understand this site. The purpose is to allow people to control what is presented as important, instead of having that control be exercised by professional editors, and to provide a forum where people can discuss their views on issues, which is often lacking. The value of the latter is that people develop a better understanding of these things through discussing them. The value of the former is that professional editors often have adgendas that differ from that of the people on the whole. This idea should speak to conservatives who seem concerned that the media is too liberal.

If you like the new Pope you might express that you do and explain why. Instead you attack others for expressing their views. Thats why it seems divisive. Its only divisive if you don't respect other people's opinions. You should seek to influence rather then attack.

Decius wrote:
] Vile wrote:
] ] Conservatism is good, Tom. Not perfect, but good.
]
] There is a need for more conservative political views on
] MemeStreams.
]
] ] I think you bean counters at memestreams really ought to
] lose
] ] your delusions of importance as political analysts.
] ] Go back to recomminding things. That was the intent of the
] site.
]
] You don't understand this site. The purpose is to allow people
] to control what is presented as important, instead of having
] that control be exercised by professional editors, and to
] provide a forum where people can discuss their views on
] issues, which is often lacking. The value of the latter is
] that people develop a better understanding of these things
] through discussing them. The value of the former is that
] professional editors often have adgendas that differ from that
] of the people on the whole. This idea should speak to
] conservatives who seem concerned that the media is too
] liberal.
]
] If you like the new Pope you might express that you do and
] explain why. Instead you attack others for expressing their
] views. Thats why it seems divisive. Its only divisive if you
] don't respect other people's opinions. You should seek to
] influence rather then attack.

Fair enough. Nice work on the update, too. I don't really care one way or the other about the new pope, though. I simply hate the ignorance of the liberals as much as I despise the ignorance of the conservatives. You knew that already though. Anyway, congrats on the update!