Please don't support seperationist movements like outerz0ne whose only goal is to make trouble instead of letting everyone have a good time.

If you don't like rockit personally, or don't like interz0ne, there is one simple thing that you should do.... DON'T GO! Don't support him or the con. It's that simple.

I cannot figure out for the life of me what anyone hopes to accomplish by going to a conference with the intent of ruining it. Start your own conference! Don't go to interz0ne. Grow a pair and stand up and say "I don't like rockit or interz0ne" and then get on with life. But going to cause trouble does nothing but further seperate this community.

Tell me one good thing that can be accomplished from this. Make interz0ne stop so that we lose a conference? Cause a further rift in the community that has completely turned on itself? Create yet more drama and push the actual hacking content even further away? What am I missing here?

What positive outcome can come of this? The only thing I can see is starting another competing conference, so if that is the goal, then STFU and do it! Otherwise GTFO out of my way so that I (and everyone else) can enjoy interz0ne!

shameful...absolutely shameful....

outerz0ne is bad for the hacking community

Decius wrote:
] StankDawg wrote:
] ] I posted about this on slashdot recently:
] ] http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=146731&cid=12292095
]
] The only thing I'd dispute is that this occured around the
] time of the IPO.

I didn't mean for that to come across as though it started at the time of the IPO. To clarify, I am saying that the IPO itself inserts the shareholder factor which could lead to the abuse of the data that has been captured all along. As soon as the profits start to fall, that data will be the first thing to be sold IMHO.

Before that it was still bad, but less impending.

RE: Big Google is watching you

Decius wrote:
] ] My Search History lets you easily view and manage your
] ] search history from any computer. This feature of Google
] ] web search enables you to find information you thought
] ] you lost. And over time, you'll see an increasing number
] ] of relevance indicators in your search results that help
] ] you find the information you want.
]
] So, Google retains all of this data whether you like it or
] not. If they are going to do that, its nice to be able to
] access it and put it to use. So this feature isn't really a
] bad idea. However, I'd rather have some local software doing
] this kind of profiling for me and have google politely toss my
] search history in the bin.

This is a BIG red herring. They are not giving you your entire search history. They are giving you a limited amount of the actual data that they collect. You can turn this feature off, or pause it, or leave it active. But know that the fact of the matter is that they collect much more data on you than this leads you to believe.

I posted about this on slashdot recently: http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=146731&cid=12292095

And the discussion went further in the binrev forums: http://www.binrev.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=12014

I really think everyone should read them both to see the facts behind the story.

RE: Big Google is watching you

Decius wrote:
] Microsoft at their most transparently self serving:
]
] ] Their use could be an indicator that your teenager is
] ] involved in the theft of intellectual property, particularly
]
] ] licensed software.
]
] :-o

WOW! What a leap!

Perhaps someone at Microsoft read (or SHOULD have read) my 2600 about "leetspeak" as they call it that was published back in 2002! :o

http://www.docdroppers.org/wiki/index.php?title=A_history_of_31337sp34k

How ignorant can they be?

RE: Microsoft guide to l33t speak.

] Speakers
]
] Keynote Speaker:
]
] Simple Nomad - "The State of the Computer
] Underground: What's Working, What's Not, and Why"

The full speaker list appears to be up (there are a couple of gaps, but it looks pretty close to final) for interz0ne 4 in Atlanta. I hope to see some of the memstreams regulars there!

interz0ne IV

Just in case anyone was interested, I talked about this onm episode 80 of BRR (http://radio.binrev.com) in regards to the new Microsoft anti-spyware download and the new "Genuine" program where all windows copies must be "Microsoft Authentic" to download apps and updates.

RE: Microsoft: No Patches for Pirated Windows

kaiju8 wrote:
] Decius wrote:
] ] ] LogosX: Episode 79 - Encryption (original air date:
] ] ] 01/18/2005)
] ]
] ] I forgot to meme this eariler. I was on BinRev this week
] with
] ] Stangdawk talking about cryptography. Its a 101 level
] overview
] ] of symmetric vs. asymmetric systems and different approaches
]
] ] to public key verification. Mostly stuff crypto oriented
] folks
] ] already know, but may be new marterial for people who
] haven't
] ] explored the subject.
]
] Does he have a podcasting link for this show?

Yes we do.

http://www.binrev.com/radio/podcast

And thanks to Elonka and Decius and everyone else who has been gracious enough to be on with me. They are always good, educational episodes.

RE: Binary Revolution - Decius cohosts

] While doing the editing for episode 2 of HackTV, I had
] some footage that didn't really fit in with the regular
] episodes of HackTV but it was too good to leave out!
] Instead of watching it rot on my hard drive, I put
] together a special episode called "PWNED" and you might
] be wondering why"
]
]
] You see, I was fortunate enough to attend The Phreaknic 8
] conference in Nashville Tenessee in October of 2004.
] While there I played a little prank on some of the guys
] in DDP (and one person who became "collateral damage")
] and that is exactly what this episode is about. It is
] about 8.5 minutes long and I didn't want to spend that
] much of the real HackTV episode on a prank, so I thought
] it was a great reason to make a special episode. It will
] also give you something to help pass the time until
] episode 2.
]
]
] So you can find this episode, and all episodes of HackTV
] over at the official HackTV site. We hope you enjoy it
] and spread the word!

A little phun from phreaknic 8 that I knew some of the members of memestreams might enjoy.

HackTV special episode 1: PWNED

] Episode 78 - Cryptography (original air date: 01/11/2005)

Stankdawg's web radio program -- I was co-host for this week's episode. Check the link to download the MP3. We talked about some "Cryptography 101" stuff, including a brief overview of the PhreakNIC v3.0 Code and Kryptos. We ran out of time discussing the Cyrillic Projector, but may cover it in a future show.

Thanks to SD for inviting me!

Elonka :)

Binary Revolution - The Cryptography Episode

Hijexx wrote:
] Someone clue me in, where does the $50 go? I understand con
] space costs some $$$ from being involved with Phreanic in the
] past. Give me a guesstimate to help me make a decision here.
]
]
] Is the figure so high because the attendance is being
] projected low? Is the hotel charging way too much for space?
] Are speakers being compensated?

I have to be honest and say that I do not know where the money goes or how the cost is broken down. But 50 bucks for a weekend of hacking goodness doesn't seem so awful bad to me in and of itself. I mean, that much can easily be blown going to a movie and dinner on one night or giong drinking out at a club or something, so 50 bucks is not the issue to me personally.

The bottom line becomes the total package price. HOTEL + AIRFARE + ENTRY FEE + FOOD AND AMMENITIES = $$$ so I look at the total bottom line and make a decision based on that.

I don't know if I will be able to afford the bottom line for interz0ne.

RE: Interz0ne 4: *50* BUCKS???