Bush and Cheney to tell 9/11 stories

Pair appearing before panel today
But there'll be no oath, no transcript

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Sometimes the irony is already made for you. Bush and Cheney to tell 9/11 stories... hahah

Bush and Cheney to tell 9/11 stories

"Somebody came in with a pre-emptive bid. It must have swept them off their feet,'' one said.

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This will be interesting to watch. Wonder if the next terrorist attack is scheduled to be in Chicago? Watch for abnormal stock trades like there were immediately before 9/11. And watch out for employees of "MOving SyStems incorporAteD" with videos of Chicago showing zoomed in pictures of the Sears tower. More about that here:

http://www.zwire.com/site/mercury_101801.html

That article doesn't explicity state the nationality of the folks who were detained, opting instead for the general "Middle Eastern." There are a few other articles that delve into it though. They were most likely Israeli. From American Free Press:

The Mercury did not identify the men’s nationality, but their names were Moshe Elmakias and Ron Katar.

“Moshe” is a Hebrew name which is not likely to have been bestowed on a Muslim or an Arab.

A woman named Ayelet Reisler, in their company, was also detained. She had a German passport in her name and medication in a different name.

The two men worked for a company known as “Moving Systems Incorporated”—which is intriguing because AFP’s report of Oct. 1 revealed several suspected Israeli intelligence operatives seized by the FBI in the New York area after filming the World Trade Center disaster from at least two venues also purportedly worked for moving companies.

Supporters of Israel suggest that it is “just a coincidence” that several different groups of Israelis in the United States—some of whom are definitively connected to Israeli intelligence—would be working for moving companies and also have detailed videos of the WTC disaster and the Sears Tower, a potential terrorist target.

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In a world where you ask people how many skyscrapers collapsed on 9/11, and most people say "two," it's hard to get them to realize there were Israelis detained in New York, posing as Arabs, filming the carnage and celebrating. Their cover was working for a moving business. In each case though, NY and Chicago, those detained were quietly deported. Thanks US government, thanks for all the hard work you do with domestic terrorist suspects.

Regardless of all the potential for conspiracy here, this purchase could just be smart business. Buy low (when people have terrorism jitters) and sell high (jack the rent when the fear subsides.) Or, just taking a wager that Chicago is next and then collecting the windfall. Interesting stuff.

MetLife sells Sears Tower

w1ld wrote:
] ] While Timothy McVeigh was executed for his role in the
] ] bombing and Terry Nichols is in jail still facing murder
] ] charges in the attack, evidence introduced in their
] ] trials supports the Iraqi theory. An FBI report records a
] ] call a few hours after the bombing from Vincent
] ] Cannistraro, a retired CIA official who had once been
] ] chief of operations for the agency's counter-terrorism
] ] center. He told Kevin Foust, a FBI counter-terror
] ] investigator, that he'd been called by a top
] ] counter-terror adviser to the Saudi royal family.
] ]
] ] Foust reported that the Saudi told Cannistraro about
] ] "information that there was a 'squad' of people currently
] ] in the United States, very possibly Iraqis, who have been
] ] tasked with carrying out terrorist attacks against the
] ] United States. The Saudi claimed that he had seen a list
] ] of 'targets,' and that the first on the list was the
] ] federal building in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma."
]
] Interesting information about the tie from Oklahoma City
] bombings,
] Iraq and terrorists.

Looks interesting. I've always wondered why Hussain al-Hussaini (John Doe #2) was swept under the rug. Of course, if this book is going to deal with unanswered questions about the OKC bombing, they need to touch on a few: The two unexploded bombs that were found inside the building and defused by police. The statements from some ATF agents and other officials who worked there, that they were given warnings to be out of the building that morning. The seismographic evidence that showed explosions prior to the truck bomb explosion. The witnesses who heard multiple explosions.

I think logic would dictate, with the bad press over Iraq, that if Iraq really was behind WTC '93, OKC and WTC '01 they would be waving it in our faces daily to trumpet the war effort. They tried, by mentioning 9/11 and Iraq in the same sentence for months, to affect the Pavlovian conditioning of the two. Ultimately though, Bush and Rumsfeld both have stated Iraq had no hand in 9/11.

RE: WorldNetDaily: Iraq: Lynchpin of terror war

Sibel Edmonds said she spent more than three hours in a closed session with the commission's investigators providing information that was circulating within the FBI in the spring and summer of 2001 suggesting that an attack using aircraft was just months away and the terrorists were in place. The Bush administration, meanwhile, has sought to silence her and has obtained a gagging order from a court by citing the rarely used "state secrets privilege".

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A write up in the Independent about a whistleblower coming forth. Here's a transcript of an interview with her too:

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=04/03/31/1616221#transcript

Here's to hoping that this gets investigated further, drawn out into the public eye, and shown to be true.

'I saw papers that show US knew al-Qa'ida would attack cities with aeroplanes'

"Whenever there's a decline in the death rate in Iraq, whenever there are fewer soldiers killed or maimed than in the month preceeding, you'll see a lot of bluster and hyperbole coming from right wingers: things are going great! We can sure see the light at the end of the tunnel NOW!

Well, we've heard about that light at the end of the tunnel before. Sometimes it turns out to be an onrushing train.

I don't like to do the inverse, to jump on every report of a fatality as proof that I am right and all who oppose me are wrong. But given that the mutilated bodies of Americans--either contractors or CIA guys, depending on who you believe--are now being dragged triumphantly through the streets by cheering throngs...well, I think I speak for a lot of people when I respectfully ask the next right winger who might be tempted, in a month or two, or whenever the next lull hits, to write about how we've really turned a corner NOW--to instead, perhaps, consider shutting the fuck up [Emphasis added.]"

--Tom Tomorrow

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Well said Tom.

Falluja

] There was Bush looking under furniture in a fruitless,
] frustrating search. "Those weapons of mass destruction
] have got to be somewhere," he said.

ah ha! AH HA HA! Thats right - since there apparently never WERE any, just move the goal posts and make the whole WMD thing out to be one big joke! Guess those 600 (and rising) BODY BAGS of US soldiers that have been coming home in a steady stream for the last 12 months are a joke too?

B.A.S.T.A.R.D. -LB

Bush pokes fun at himself at dinner

"When they turn around and say John Kerry would be soft on terror, they don't use a picture of Osama bin Laden. They use a young good-looking, Middle Eastern male turning around looking furtively," said James Zogby, president of the Arab American Institute, which called on the Republicans to change the ads.

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It's at the usual place, http://www.georgebush.com/tvads/ In the video "100 Days" after the "War on Terror" splash. Go full screen when you watch it, it's easier to see the actor's nationality.

Actually, this time his ad me laugh. I can only wonder what's next out of this twit.

Election ad 'plays on fear of Arabs'

Elonka wrote:

} It's not just
] a trivial occurrence that is being taken advantage of because
] we happen to have an emotional photo -- 9/11 was the greatest
] challenge that our country faced during the course of Bush's
] presidency. How he dealt with that challenge *is* crucially
] important.

One thing that concerns me is that most people believe the attack on Afghanistan was a reaction to the 9/11 attacks. It was actually well underway with respect to planning and logistics. Pakistan had been told earlier that summer that we were coming in.

The attack on the Taliban was not vengeance for 9/11, it was business as usual. I think that's how most people think Bush "dealt" with the challenge, by avenging America against the purported culprits.

] If people are going to blame Bush for everything that goes
] wrong, then I believe that they should also give him credit
] for some of the things that go *right*. And say what you
] will, we haven't had another 9/11 while on his watch.

You could phrase that another way: We had the 9/11 attack under his watch. We witnessed our standard operating procedures for intercepting errant aircraft fail that day. 67 airplanes had been intercepted that year under standard operating procedures. Why not on 9/11?

Something else interesting:

ABC journalist John Cochran was traveling with the President. He reported on ABC TV on Tuesday morning:

"Peter, as you know, the president's down in Florida talking about education. He got out of his hotel suite this morning, was about to leave, reporters saw the White House chief of staff, Andy Card, whisper into his ear. The reporter said to the president, 'Do you know what's going on in New York?' He said he did, and he said he will have something about it later. His first event is about half an hour at an elementary school in Sarasota, Florida."
--'ABC News' Special Report 'Planes crash into World Trade Center' (8:53 AM ET) Tuesday 11 September 2001

So he knew about it before he went into the school. More evidence that he knew, Cheney on 9/16 meet the press:

"VICE PRES. CHENEY: ...As best we can tell, they [American Flight 77] came initially at the White House and...

"MR. RUSSERT: The plane actually circled the White House?

"VICE PRES. CHENEY: Didn't circle it, but was headed on a track into it. The Secret Service has an arrangement with the F.A.A. They had open lines after the World Trade Center was... "

He stopped talking where the elipses were. It's pretty clear he meant "HIT" though. So the Secret Service (with the President that day) had open lines of communication with the FAA at the time the WTC was being attacked.

So the Secret Service at that point knew what the FAA knew. The FAA "suspected" that flight 11 had been hijacked at 8:20. (Newsday 23 September 2001, 'Air Attack on Pentagon Indicates Weaknesses') And acc... [ Read More (0.2k in body) ]

RE: Furor over Bush's 9/11 ad

Both ads reinforce the Ground Zero imagery with frontal shots of two firefighters. Unlike the paid actors and actresses in most of the footage, they are not ringers, but their red headgear gives them away as non-New Yorkers. The Bush campaign declined to reveal where the burly smoke-eaters actually work.

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I remember a while back this was the stated mission from Bush's handlers, to exploit 9/11 for political advantage. And so it begins.

Furor over Bush's 9/11 ad

Is this story true? Its central assumptions have never been seriously tested. There are numerous red flags in the official story, which requires a long series of highly improbable coincidences. Questioning that story is an act of responsible citizenship.

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The WTC collapses looked suspect to me from day one. This site is a great referrence with movies and pictures to go with the analysis. Lots of eye witness accounts as well.

My thoughts: There's a photo of people walking up to the entry hole in the North Tower and looking out:

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/photos/wtc1hole1.html

This makes me wonder how hot the temperatures were pre-collapse. Was the temperature hot enough to melt steel? And why didn't the 1975 fire, set on the 11th floor, which spread to 6 other floors and burned for 3 hours, cause a collapse?

Also of note is the antenna. It was 352 feet long, weighing 353 tons. If you notice watching the collapse video here:

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/videos/docs/n_tower_1st24.mpg

The antenna begins it's collapse before any other part of the building. This indicates the core failed above the impact floor first (the antenna's weight was primarily supported by the core.) A few moments later the collaps starts to manifest in the top floors, then the impact floor.

For these buildings to completely collapse in 10 to 15 seconds means everything fell virtually unimpeded, only encountering air resistance. Seismic records more or less match up with observed free fall times. Also, the symmetry of the debris cloud as the building collapsed and the symmetric distribution of debris on the ground (as indicated in the FEMA report) are hallmarks of controlled demolition.

A progressive, floor by floor collapse would not have been as clean as these falls were. Here's an enlightening passage from the Albequerque Journal:

"Televised images of the attacks on the World Trade Center suggest that explosives devices caused the collapse of both towers, a New Mexico Tech explosion expert said Tuesday. The collapse of the buildings appears "too methodical" to be a chance resul... [ Read More (0.2k in body) ]

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