inignoct wrote:
] [ Total and complete bullshit. If she agrees to the surgery
] and she dies as a result, did she commit suicide? What if
] something goes wrong with the surgery and both fetuses die?
] Double homicide? Absurd. -k]

I don't think this case is remotely as cut and dry as you guys are making it out to be. Your basing your perspective on an abstract concept of at what point children gain rights that is based upon your perspective on abortion. Essentially you are arguing that before they are naturally born children have absolutely no legal protection and absolutely no behavior on the part of the mother or anyone else is questionable regardless of how malicious it is.

Deaths from natural birth complications are one in 10,000, whereas deaths from C-Sections are one in 2,500. Its clearly a more risky procedure, and women ought to be able to forgo it.

However, this isn't a case where a bunch of bibled up nut cases are going after someone because she refused a C-Section because she was afraid of the increased risks involved. She refused a C-Section because she didn't want a scar. "Rowland told a hospital nurse that she would rather "lose one of the babies" than be scarred by the Caesarean section, which requires a surgical incision to the abdomen." Furthermore, this wasn't a case where there were questions about whether or not the baby would survive. She had obtained several different opinions from several different hospitals who clearly told her that she needed a C-section to save the life of the baby.

She literally made a pre-meditated decision that she would rather one of the children die then have a scar on her abdomen. Thats what we are talking about here. Expecting someone who would make such a choice before birth to have the absolute respect for the health and well being of the child that we require after birth is absolutely ridiculous. Something is obviously wrong here.

I think that its a bad idea to create a legal president that allows bibled up nut cases to go after any woman who chooses natural child birth in reasonable cases. I think that reacting to that possibility by proclaiming that we support any degree of maliciousness prior to childbirth is equally radical and equally unwise.

RE: Eschaton - The War on Women

] Korn has announced a remix of their current
] single, "Y'All Want A Single," is
] now available online. The remix, put
] together by Homey and X107.5 X-treme
] Radio in Las Vegas, NV, features
] dialogue of famed shock jock Howard
] Stern, who recently fell victim to Clear
] Channel's spineless stance in removing
] his show from their radio stations in fear
] of being hit with the recent move
] by the FCC to charge radio stations with
] ridiculously outrageous fines for
] indecency or better yet, putting a lid
] on freedom of speech (sorry, former radio jock
] here venting).

RockRage Online: Howard Stern Korn Remix

] Korn's new video for "Y'all Want a Single? Fuck That,"
] consists of the band trashing a record store, screaming
] the chorous, while a suprisingly eloquent rant against
] the recording industry's treatment of artists and the
] radio oligopolies' top-40 mentalitity scrolls past. The
] band reveals that they released the video against its
] label's wishes and urges you to "steal" it. (Link to video
] here.)

Boing Boing: Korn's new video damns the music industry

] There's a cheat code in the software running the BMW M3's
] sequential manual gearbox (SMG): Press the right buttons
] in the right order and the car will launch you from a
] stop after revving the engine to 5,000 rpm. But don't
] look for a how-to in the owners' manual this feature
] is undocumented, an inside joke of sorts.

Popular Science | BMW's Easter Egg

] Eschewing the trend toward fancier pubs, Thinking Man is
] a throwback to hangouts like Trackside Tavern, where the
] owners most recently paid their bartending dues.

One of the coolest bars I've yet found in Atlanta... They have a bunsen burner collection. And Paulaner on tap. And the jukebox... Pixies, Portishead, mid 80's REM, Luscious Jackson, Thievery Corporation... perfect...

Thinking Man Tavern | Neighborhood Dining | accessAtlanta.com

] I'm just leaving the silent march at the Spanish Embassy.
] A small crowd of two to three hundred gatheed at the
] embassy, and then at noon, walked across the street in
] silence to Washington Circle, across from the George
] Washington University Hospitals.

Instapundit.com: Pictures from anti-terror demonstration in Washington

] I went over to San Francisco's Spanish consulate this
] afternoon, and they had posted signs indicating that
] there was a book of condolences available for signing by
] the public. Their office hours are 9-2, so they were
] already closed, but presumably they'll have it out for a
] few more days.

When I got home form work last night the top story on CNN was Gay Marriage. Disgusting. The people of Spain have put their lives on the line. In Afghanistan. In Iraq. And now in the streets of Madrid. They've done it because they support you and your fight against these kinds of threats. And yet I sense that in this country people want to abstract themselves from the situation. Its over there. Its not our concern. When the WTC got hit we expected Europe to support us, and they did. We ought to have the same respect for them.

101-280: Condolences

An interesting article about tracking terrorists through mobile phone SIM cards.

[ISN] How Tiny Swiss Cellphone Chips Helped Track Global Terror Web

] With Spanish national elections set to be held on Sunday
] -- and Aznar confirmed again that the elections will go
] ahead as scheduled -- assigning blame for Thursday's
] terrorist attacks has taken on political undertones that
] some media analysts said could affect the outcome of the
] voting.
]
] If people widely perceive ETA as responsible, this
] common analysis says, then Aznar's ruling Popular Party
] should benefit, perhaps maintaining or even increasing
] its absolute majority in parliament, since the PP is seen
] as tough on Basque separatist demands. Aznar's handpicked
] successor, Mariano Rajoy, has pledged to continue Aznar's
] tough policy of refusing to negotiate with ETA.
]
] However, if Islamic militants are believed involved,
] some analysts have said there could be a popular backlash
] against the Popular Party, for aligning Spain so closely
] with the United States and siding with the Bush
] administration in the Iraq War, which is still deeply
] unpopular here.

One the one hand, by blaming the ETA and not postponing the elections, the government is clearly protecting its own political interests. On the other hand, the left promises to deliver Al'Q exactly what it wants from these attacks.

Political Elements of blame

] The bill would raise the maximum fine for a broadcast
] license-holder from $27,500 to $500,000. The fine for a
] performer would jump from $11,000 to $500,000.

This is rocketing through the government. Its inevitable that it will pass. Its just part of the process of the mass media becoming irrelevant.

Congress responds to Jackson incident