Vile wrote:

adam wrote:

Vile wrote:

adam wrote:

Iraq..A wisely chosen war, in terms of gaining a strategic vantage point.

and the moon is made of green cheese
Iraq was the wrong war for the wrong reasons

Not gonna argue with you. Your side lost. Deal with it.

my side lost? Well yes in the sense that Bush got his pointless war but that still doesn't mean there was originally any connection between al Qaeda and Iraq. Deal with the facts not Bush's propaganda especially when using that connection to make spurious points about the war dead and support the troops.

It's a great strategic location on many levels. With Iraq, Iran, Syria, North Korea, sections of Africa and Indonesia stabilized and brought to the world's diplomatic table, then we can move closer to a peaceful world. Sometimes, you have to band together and beat the shit out of the bully to acheive peace in the schoolyard.

Indonesia???!!
you mean because of East Timor?
local trouble and no part of global geo-politics
but invading countries because you don't like the regime is acting like a bully
plus the current US position in Iraq is borderline and could go either way
yes lets hope the position stabilizes and civil war is averted
plus do you think invading Iran is a viable option
and do you think China would stand on the sidelines if the US militarily threatened N Korea
it might be argued that by demonstrating a willingness to tear up international treaties like the Geneva Convention and arguably break international law by starting a war of aggression the US is demonstrating its will. It could be argued that it is demonstrating that it is not a weak willed liberal power with more bluff than bollocks, not a decadent violet. In the same way that Hitler regarded all the western powers.
a/ Hitler was wrong then and the west and the US now never needed to prove anything and should be grown up enough to know it.
b/ International law and treaties are part of the social global infrastructure we should be nurturing and upholding (by force if necessary as was the case with the first Gulf war). These institutions and laws are an essential element in banding together to "beat the shit out of the bully to acheive peace in the schoolyard."
c/ as far as needing to prove to the likes of Bin Laden that we have the will the invasion of Afganistan demonstrated that and I supported it. I believe we should act when the law allows it and circumstances demand it and I don't think that is true of Iraq. We don't need to beat people up to demonstrate to the schoolyard that we're big and strong. Bin Laden's hiding in a hole in Afganistan (hahaha it's only a matter of time Ossama) because we have the balls but we also need to show to the Muslim world that we act with justice in mind and can show restraint. The difference between a bully and a leader is that the leader rules by consent not force, knows when to listen and knows that while u may have the power to impose your will u don't always have the right; a leader knows when to demonstrate restrain.

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