Acidus wrote:
] ] But CrimeThinc continued to ask attendees to deface the
] ] Republican National Committee Web sites, to launch denial
] ] of service attacks against their servers, to harass
] ] delegates in the street, to prevent buses carrying
] ] delegates from running, and so on. "By any means
] ] necessary," he said.
]
] This is not hacking, this isn't protesting, this is anarchy,
] and these jackasses deserve the brutality they get. I agree, its one thing to protest, its something entirely different to try to fight for your rights, like free assembly, and free speech by denying people at the RNC those exact same rights... as far as I'm conserned if your free assembly and free speech turns into anarchy designed to limit the free speech and free assembly of others then you are not helping the fight for freedom... the real thing these people are fighting for isn't freedom, they have it, and they would have republicans striped of those same freedoms because they dont agree with republican politics...no what they're really after is a totalitarian society that they themselves control, where they can deside who has rights and who doesnt... we dont live in that society yet, and until we do these people have no place telling the republicans, or anyone for that matter which rights they have, and which rights they have to give up... people like CrimeThinc and Shapeshifter (from HOPE 5) often like to describe the current administration (or anyone they disagree with really) by bringing up Orwell and 1984...Orwell wrote lots of things, almost all in one way or another related to totalitarianism, nationalism, etc...when I hear the tired BS retoric of these guys using the bannor of peace and freedom to make their case I think of something else that Orwell wrote in "Notes on Nationalism" in May 1945...I'll post a link to the full document to my memestream but for now this section sums up these guys pretty well for me... --snip-- "5. PACIFISM The majority of pacifists either belong to obscure religious sects or are simply humanitarians who object to the taking of life and prefer not to follow their thoughts beyond that point. But there is a minority of intellectual pacifists whose real though unadmitted motive appears to be hatred of western democracy and admiration of totalitarianism. Pacifist propaganda usually boils down to saying that one side is as bad as the other, but if one looks closely at the writings of younger intellectual pacifists, one finds that they do not by any means express impartial disapproval but are directed almost entirely against Britain and the United States. Moreover they do not as a rule condemn violence as such, but only violence used in defense of western countries. The Russians, unlike the British, are not blamed for defending themselves by warlike means, and indeed all pacifist propaganda of this type avoids mention of Russia or China. It is not claimed, again, that the Indians should abjure violence in their struggle against the British. Pacifist literature abounds with equivocal remarks which, if they mean anything, appear to mean that statesmen of the type of Hitler are preferable to those of the type of Churchill, and that violence is perhaps excusable if it is violent enough. After the fall of France, the French pacifists, faced by a real choice which their English colleagues have not had to make, mostly went over to the Nazis, and in England there appears to have been some small overlap of membership between the Peace Pledge Union and the Blackshirts. Pacifist writers have written in praise of Carlyle, one of the intellectual fathers of Fascism. All in all it is difficult not to feel that pacifism, as it appears among a section of the intelligentsia, is secretly inspired by an admiration for power and successful cruelty. The mistake was made of pinning this emotion to Hitler, but it could easily be retransfered." --snip-- now before you get upset remember he is talking about only "a minority of intellectual pacifists", and I think guys like CrimeThinc and Shapeshifter are examples of that minority... --Abaddon RE: CrimeThinc @ Defcon: Cause chaos at the RNC |
