Decius wrote:
] inignoct wrote:
] ] to the extent that children are exposed to pride in
] ] the accomplishments of american government, they may be more
]
] ] inclined to help correct those things that tarnish what is
] ] otherwise good.
]
] Thats valid. I don't mean that all trappings of community and
] national pride be eliminated. I simply mean that repetitive
] reading of slogans in particular is a fairly standard
] programming technique. I want a patriotism that doesn't
] require brainwashing. While I was refusing to say the pledge I
] was involved with my school's JROTC.

that's very respectable. all the kids i knew who were refusing to say the pledge were being dicks for no better reason than to raise hackles, not actual conviction.

] ] the cynicism of our generation is pretty
] ] unparalleled and i think a lot of it stems from having the
] ] financial stability to analyse finer grained issues which
] ] aren't a concern in nations trying to pay for food.
]
] Thats a great observation. I'll spend some time thinking about
] that. My initial thought is that its not just financial
] stability, but lack of motivation. There is no great purpose
] that drives us, or I guess all the great purposes which we
] might aspire too seem hopelessly out of reach in spite of our
] starting point.

definitely a lack of motivation, partially because we see the grand tasks as hopelessly out of reach but also partially because we think everything's already been done. creativity suffers if you feel like you're repeating things... why write a play if shakespeare already said what you want to say, perfectly, hundreds of years ago?

] ] as a final thought, i don't think belief in god is a
] religious
] ] one at all.
]
] I think what is important here is that you are framing the
] national identity as something with is intentionally exclusive
] of people from eastern cultures, and secular people. Chinese
] ancestor worship doesn't not involve gods. Buddha is not a
] god. Hindu has many gods, but they aren't exactly the same
] thing. Even the pre-roman european religions are excluded.
] Only the three middle eastern faiths have a singular "god"
] concept. America ought to see itself as a multicultural state.

that's fair. i don't know just how i'd do that, but it's a point worth considering. anyway, i wouldn't expect a lot out of this.

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