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Op-Ed Columnist - How to Lose an Election Without Really Trying - NYTimes.com
by janelane at 12:35 pm EDT, Aug 13, 2010

The public is largely unaware of this because the conservative establishment in both Washington and the press has been relentless in its effort to separate the G.O.P. from the excesses of the Palin-Fox-Beck-Breitbart bomb throwers and from wacky Tea Party senatorial candidates like Sharron Angle of Nevada and Rand Paul of Kentucky. To hear most non-Fox conservative pundits tell it on Sunday talk shows or op-ed pages, these unruly radicals are just a passing craze. The new post-Bush G.O.P., we’re told, is exemplified by responsible, traditional small-government conservative governors like Mitch Daniels (of Indiana) or Chris Christie (of New Jersey).

But it’s Daniels and Christie who are the anomalies.

Whenever I start to hyperventilate about the state of the US if the Tea Party gets their way (think pre-Victorian England -- no education or voting rights for women or non-white people, a two class system where the rich aren't taxed to provide basic services for the desperately poor (or themselves, for that matter), and a judicial system based on the Old Testament), I think it must be because I haven't experienced politics for that long. Surely once you've seen 20 or 30 years of the back biting and a certain party trying to return us to the fabled "good ole days" with idiotic rhetoric, you get used to it.

It just doesn't feel that way, though. It feels like the pendulum is swinging backwards a lot more than it's swinging forwards. 41% of Republicans think Obama isn't a citizen, for Christ's sake! That's a seemingly insurmountable propaganda machine if we've ever witnessed one.

-janelane, the glass is half-full of Gulf coast oil-water


 
RE: Op-Ed Columnist - How to Lose an Election Without Really Trying - NYTimes.com
by Decius at 3:46 pm EDT, Aug 13, 2010

janelane wrote:
Whenever I start to hyperventilate about the state of the US if the Tea Party gets their way (think pre-Victorian England -- no education or voting rights for women...

But wouldn't it be fun to see Palin rationalize an end to Women's Suffrage?

The realities:
- There is no solution to the jobs situation. Things are actually about as well off as they could possibly be under the circumstances. Its going to be a long, hard slog.

- Its easy for Republicans to throw rocks at the level of fiscal spending and debt, and there is nothing that the Dems can do about it, because those things are necessary right now due to the economic situation.

So, in a sense, Obama is getting Hoovered. Hoover was held responsible for the consequences of the excesses of Coolidge era. But really the current economic hangover isn't a consequence of the Bush era so much as its a consequence of the Clinton era (and various policies of the Republican Congress he probably should have been quicker to veto).

Also:

- National healthcare movements are always extremely unpopular at passage. Popularity doesn't grow until the system is operational and people experience it.

People are genuinely unhappy about national healthcare.

The problem is the republicans have moved really far to the right. Rightward shifts during economic downturns are dangerous.

Hopefully the people don't follow. But I can't see what the Democrats can do about this election. They are going to loose some seats. That is the cost of national healthcare.


 
 
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