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RE: naet ltilte ticrk!
by Elonka at 1:39 pm EDT, Sep 17, 2003 |
Gremlin wrote:
] The phaomnneil pweor of the hmuan mnid.
]
] Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it
] deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod
] are, the olny iprmoetnt tihng is taht the frist and
] lsat ltteer be at the rghit pclae. The rset can be a
] total mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit porbelm.
] Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey
] lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe.
]
] Fcuknig amzanig, huh? Pretty neat! Though it's worth repeating that along with first and last letter, that the middle letters do need to be there in the same quantities, oxxxe txxxs gxxxt mxxxh hxxxr txxxo rxxxd. (otherwise things get much harder to read) :) |
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RE: naet ltilte ticrk!
by flynn23 at 11:04 am EDT, Sep 19, 2003 |
Elonka wrote:
] Gremlin wrote:
] ] The phaomnneil pweor of the hmuan mnid.
] ]
] ] Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it
] ] deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod
] ] are, the olny iprmoetnt tihng is taht the frist and
] ] lsat ltteer be at the rghit pclae. The rset can be a
] ] total mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit porbelm.
] ] Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey
] ] lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe.
] ]
] ] Fcuknig amzanig, huh?
]
] Pretty neat! Though it's worth repeating that along with
] first and last letter, that the middle letters do need to be
] there in the same quantities, oxxxe txxxs gxxxt mxxxh hxxxr
] txxxo rxxxd.
]
] (otherwise things get much harder to read) :) It's not so much the # of letters, but the shape and spacing of them. Humans read by associating a concept or idea with a shape. This is why red octogons mean stop and people can read 133t. It's important to at least replicate the shape of the entire word, so that things like ligatures (the hang-y part of a lowercase g) and ascenders (the upper parts of things like f, th, and i) get represented in their appropriate scale and position. This is why you can substitute 1 for i or f or t. They all have a relatively similar ascender. You also want the kerning between letters to be familiar. So that the word 'one' is presented with the appriopriate amount of space between the letters. This is why 'o n e' is harder to read. It doesn't fit with our familiar image of the word. Kerning too tightly can also affect our perception of the word. Look at a lot of David Carson's work in the early 90s. He would manipulate kerning so that words would represent other ideas because the letters were basically on top of each other. Another important component of this is font choice. We read best what we read most. That's why highway signs are in Helvetica. And newspaper print is in a serif font. The more you see a set of line weights and curves, the more familiar it will be, and the quicker your brain will pick it out and translate it to it's concept. It's interesting that this example was picked because it APPEARS that this is what a dyslexic person would see when they attempt to read. But that's actually not the problem for people with reading disorders. They suffer from two things. One is that they can reposition characters in the word so that the shape becomes unfamiliar. This is more of a vision disorder. But what is more common is that the pathways in the brain that do the translating between shape and concept are not functioning properly, and therefore they cannot reconcile what they know as a familiar shape and the appropriate concept. |
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naet ltilte ticrk!
by Shannon at 3:07 pm EDT, Sep 17, 2003 |
The phaomnneil pweor of the hmuan mnid. Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it
deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod
are, the olny iprmoetnt tihng is taht the frist and
lsat ltteer be at the rghit pclae. The rset can be a
total mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit porbelm.
Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey
lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe. Fcuknig amzanig, huh? |
RE: naet ltilte ticrk!
by Abaddon at 12:08 pm EDT, Sep 18, 2003 |
Gremlin wrote:
] The phaomnneil pweor of the hmuan mnid.
]
] Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it
] deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod
] are, the olny iprmoetnt tihng is taht the frist and
] lsat ltteer be at the rghit pclae. The rset can be a
] total mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit porbelm.
] Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey
] lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe.
]
] Fcuknig amzanig, huh? thats really cool, and in line with everything I've thought about the way we inderstand language... back when I used to be really really into AI programming (before I got so tired of writing lexers and DB's that I gave it up) I modeled a system of mine on similar grounds, where I had it understand groups of words and not try to get each word on its own unless it needed to, like "leave me alone" doesnt mean literally "go away and leave me by myself" usually, it just means "quit it", it even had a simple reputation system in it for sorting "facts"... This finding would tend to be inline with what people have thought about pictorial languages like chinese (im sure there is another word for that), in that once you actually learn to read it, reading and comprehension of what you've read is much faster because your brain is going strait to idea from symbol, not letters... anyways, enough rambling...cool post... --Mike |
RE: naet ltilte ticrk!
by jlang at 1:43 pm EDT, Sep 18, 2003 |
Gremlin wrote:
] The phaomnneil pweor of the hmuan mnid.
]
] Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it
] deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod
] are, the olny iprmoetnt tihng is taht the frist and
] lsat ltteer be at the rghit pclae. The rset can be a
] total mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit porbelm.
] Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey
] lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe.
]
] Fcuknig amzanig, huh? Ian Grigg pointed out on the cryptography list that this inner transposition technique could be used as a simple steganographic channel:
http://www.mail-archive.com/cryptography@metzdowd.com/msg00853.html The suggestion was shortly followed by the following post from Peter Wayner: Changing around the order of a list of items is a pretty cool way to hide information. You can hide about log_2(n!) bits of information in a list of n items. In the case of words, you can move around the inner letters as long as there are no duplicates. If you want to experiment with the basic technique, check out this web page with an applet I wrote. http://www.wayner.org/books/discrypt2/sorted.php |
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