abaddon wrote:
] more comentary on the Jose Padilla saga, this one is a
] puletser (yeah yeah i dont spell) prize winning jurnalist
] chastising the media for not giving any coverage to the
] Padilla case...
]
] when exactly did the we all deside the government didnt need
] checks and balances any more...

When? Why it was when George W. Shrub was appointed president of the United States by the Supreme court.

Don't get me started on the Padilla case... that whole side-stepping of due process of law for an American citizen is just wrong on so many levels.

Laughing Boy

well we all payed for it, and continue paying for it with our collective inaction, and worse, silence...

--Abaddon

Laughing Boy wrote:
] abaddon wrote:
] ] more comentary on the Jose Padilla saga, this one is a
] ] puletser (yeah yeah i dont spell) prize winning jurnalist
] ] chastising the media for not giving any coverage to the
] ] Padilla case...
] ]
] ] when exactly did the we all deside the government didnt need
]
] ] checks and balances any more...
]
] When? Why it was when George W. Shrub was appointed president
] of the United States by the Supreme court.
]
] Don't get me started on the Padilla case... that whole
] side-stepping of due process of law for an American citizen is
] just wrong on so many levels.
]
] Laughing Boy

abaddon wrote:
] more comentary on the Jose Padilla saga, this one is a
] puletser (yeah yeah i dont spell) prize winning jurnalist
] chastising the media for not giving any coverage to the
] Padilla case...
]
] when exactly did the we all deside the government didnt need
] checks and balances any more...

Hrm, they have since released information that provides reasonable doubt that he might have been travelling to Afghanistan to join Al'Q. Its plausable enough to warrant detaining him and trying him.

Having said that, it is critical that these things be done out in the open. The public pressure on this is the reason they had to go public. Hopefully this will serve as a lesson in the future to those whose family members may be detained without reason. The Internet is your friend. Get as many eyes on the situation as possible. You now have the power to do that.

Decius wrote:
] abaddon wrote:
] ] more comentary on the Jose Padilla saga, this one is a
] ] puletser (yeah yeah i dont spell) prize winning jurnalist
] ] chastising the media for not giving any coverage to the
] ] Padilla case...
] ]
] ] when exactly did the we all deside the government didnt need
]
] ] checks and balances any more...
]
] Hrm, they have since released information that provides
] reasonable doubt that he might have been travelling to
] Afghanistan to join Al'Q. Its plausable enough to warrant
] detaining him and trying him.
]
] Having said that, it is critical that these things be done out
] in the open. The public pressure on this is the reason they
] had to go public. Hopefully this will serve as a lesson in the
] future to those whose family members may be detained without
] reason. The Internet is your friend. Get as many eyes on the
] situation as possible. You now have the power to do that.

he may well have actually been up to something, but how would we know, he isnt allowed to present his case, he isnt allowed a lawyer, he isnt allowed due process of any kind...the problem i have with the padilla case isnt that they are holding him, its that they are holding him without any rights...he's still a US citizen, and as such i can't think of an scenerio that would warrent striping him of his right to due process...

secrecy is the enemy of freedom...

--Abaddon

abaddon wrote:
] Decius wrote:
] ] abaddon wrote:
] ] ] more comentary on the Jose Padilla saga, this one is a
] ] ] puletser (yeah yeah i dont spell) prize winning jurnalist
] ] ] chastising the media for not giving any coverage to the
] ] ] Padilla case...
] ] ]
] ] ] when exactly did the we all deside the government didnt
] need
] ]
] ] ] checks and balances any more...
] ]
] ] Hrm, they have since released information that provides
] ] reasonable doubt that he might have been travelling to
] ] Afghanistan to join Al'Q. Its plausable enough to warrant
] ] detaining him and trying him.
] ]
] ] Having said that, it is critical that these things be done
] out
] ] in the open. The public pressure on this is the reason they
] ] had to go public. Hopefully this will serve as a lesson in
] the
] ] future to those whose family members may be detained without
]
] ] reason. The Internet is your friend. Get as many eyes on the
]
] ] situation as possible. You now have the power to do that.
]
] he may well have actually been up to something, but how would
] we know, he isnt allowed to present his case, he isnt allowed
] a lawyer, he isnt allowed due process of any kind...the
] problem i have with the padilla case isnt that they are
] holding him, its that they are holding him without any
] rights...he's still a US citizen, and as such i can't think of
] an scenerio that would warrent striping him of his right to
] due process...
]
] secrecy is the enemy of freedom...
]
] --Abaddon

Who died and made George W. Shrub god? Why is the current administration somehow above the letter of the law? If the justice department has the goods on Padilla; if he is a terrorist, then try and fry the motherfucker. If not, let him go - AS THE LAW DEMANDS. Why is he STILL detained after nearly a year and not been charged with a crime or even allowed to speak to his lawyer? All because John Ashcroft pointed his finger and said the magic words "enemy combatant". 14 letters and the stroke of a pen is apparently all it takes to strip you and I of our constitutionally guaranteed rights.

Be very afraid...

Laughing Boy