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CodeTek Studios - VirtualDesktop for Mac OSX
by Rattle at 10:54 pm EDT, May 10, 2003

] # Brings full virtual desktop support as available on
] other operating systems (Unix/Linux, Mac OS 9, Windows)
] to the Mac OS X platform.

] # Significant workflow improvements as you gain the
] ability to switch between multiple desktops and
] applications.

] # Considered by many users to be the most powerful
] implementation of virtual desktops on any platform, which
] is exactly what Mac OS X deserves.

] # Ideal for anyone who has more than one application open
] at a time!

Virtual Desktops are a must have.. It goes like this: Man crawled out of ocean, man coded window manager, man coded virtual desktops. If you don't have them, or rather, if you don't _need_ them, you either don't do alot with your machine or you really enjoy switching around and getting lost in an overly complicated/packed desktop.. Tabbed browsers are not enough.

This product costs $30 to register. Earlier versions "phoned home", but they removed that a few revisions ago. I've registered. The mouse focus handling stuff (thats also missing from OSX) that this product adds could still use some work. It needs to separate rasing the window from focus. I want focus to follow the mouse, but I want to raise windows by clicking.. You should be able to use the mouse to control elements of your desktop without having to click on anything. Although, I'm not too upset about the lack of advanced mouse focus handling.. I keep hitting my touchpad when typing, so I have a feeling it wouldn't work out like it normally does.. Works better with nipple mice, where you never have to take your hand off the keyboard. Without that, it may makes more sence to use hotkeys.. I promised myself I wasn't going to say anything else about the mouse, in particular its buttons, or lack there of.. Not going to say anything about it, or how much I love context menus. Not a damn thing. No sir..

Anyway, note to Apple. Mac OS has a damn sweet desktop out of the box. But it _really_ needs to ship with a virtual desktop utility. I expect Microsoft to miss details like this, but from what I've seen thus far, Apple is tuned into what makes a nice desktop in ways others are not. How could they miss this? I really think this should be built into the system.. I should not have to pay $30 for it..

I'm also pissed they did away with window shading..

Am I am the only one who _really_ likes these UI features? I completely understand why the *nixs ship with them turned off by default.. The desktop should be as simple and intutive as possible by default, and allow me to turn on additional super-powers as I feel necessary. Whats so hard about that? Do we really need to be chasing Microsoft in terms of UI? I mean, they suck, always have. Its a horrible desktop to navigate around in. The taskbar is the only thing I recall being a radical step forward for them, and it really has not evolved much since w95.. Its all been "next natural step" kinda innovation, all with very little regard for anyone other then the most low-level newbie user.. I can't find any reason why some of this stuff is not more common, other then the lack of it on MS, and everyone chasing MS. Stop chasing MS.. They are not leading in the right direction..

RE: CodeTek Studios - VirtualDesktop for Mac OSX
by Dagmar at 2:56 am EDT, May 13, 2003

Rattle wrote:
] I'm also pissed they did away with window shading..
]
] Am I am the only one who _really_ likes these UI features? I
] completely understand why the *nixs ship with them turned off
] by default.. The desktop should be as simple and intutive as
] possible by default, and allow me to turn on additional
] super-powers as I feel necessary. Whats so hard about that?
] Do we really need to be chasing Microsoft in terms of UI? I
] mean, they suck, always have. Its a horrible desktop to
] navigate around in. The taskbar is the only thing I recall
] being a radical step forward for them, and it really has not
] evolved much since w95.. Its all been "next natural step"
] kinda innovation, all with very little regard for anyone other
] then the most low-level newbie user.. I can't find any reason
] why some of this stuff is not more common, other then the lack
] of it on MS, and everyone chasing MS. Stop chasing MS.. They
] are not leading in the right direction..

You forget that Apple spends a lot of money doing research to decide in advance how you should use their OS. If you don't like it, you've apparently just got to wait for them to slip a pod under your bed. Microsoft _says_ they are doing this same thing, but they're basically only spending a pittance on that and the rest on deciding how you can best pay for their OS.

Of course if you hadn't turned traitor on us this wouldn't be a problem. You could be using Metacity, which still has all these nice features.

Come back to the Penguin.

RE: CodeTek Studios - VirtualDesktop for Mac OSX
by Rattle at 4:11 am EDT, May 13, 2003

Dagmar wrote:
] You forget that Apple spends a lot of money doing research to
] decide in advance how you should use their OS. If you don't
] like it, you've apparently just got to wait for them to slip a
] pod under your bed. Microsoft _says_ they are doing this same
] thing, but they're basically only spending a pittance on that
] and the rest on deciding how you can best pay for their OS.
]
] Of course if you hadn't turned traitor on us this wouldn't be
] a problem. You could be using Metacity, which still has all
] these nice features.
]
] Come back to the Penguin.

I never left damnit. Its not like I'm not using Linux.

I'm enjoying my toy. Let me enjoy my toy damnit! I got you, Tim Ball, and a host of others giving me shit because I got a mac. Eat me. Most of what I'm running on the thing is OSS anyway. This thing _will_ have Linux on it. I'm having fun with OSX.. Its refreshing to find another platform that dosen't make me want to puke.

I'm allowed to play with other platforms and not loose cool points, right? (/me knows Dagmar's answer will be "No", but proceeds anyway.)