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Some thoughts on SHODAN
by ophelia at 2:34 am EST, Nov 29, 2009

By now every security geek and their mom has probably heard of SHODAN, a 'computer search engine', or more accurately, a search engine that enables anyone to search for indexed internet-facing systems that can be port scanned.

People are already debating over how soon SHODAN will be forced to shut down, and leaving aside the legal issues (If one, or a few, port scans aren't illegal, should 9000 be? Should 1000000? Should a billion?), what are the ethical implications of such a service? Some complain that this would only enable script kiddies, but the same argument can be used to claim that information itself enables script kiddies, and I tend to find arguing over semantics boring.

Personally, if you have internet-facing systems that are that vulnerable (such that any skiddie with a few minutes to search for exploits would be able to pwn them), you deserve to get pwned. If you leave your brand-new car unlocked in the worst neighborhood in town, it isn't right in any moral sense that it wouldn't last long, but it would be a stretch to claim ignorance of the consequences of your idiotic move.

For example, look at this instance of an epic security fail. IIS 4.0? Seriously?!

As a friend of mine once said: "It's easier to pwn IIS than a drunk chicken." How do these systems not deserve to get pwned? How do the people responsible for securing these systems not deserve to be rewarded with a swift kick to the butt and a lesson in common sense?

With SHODAN, not only will it be easier for administrators to find and secure their systems, the existence of such a search engine would cause administrators to be constantly on their toes and not do half-assed jobs with regards to security (or one can hope).

Despite the potential for harm, SHODAN is a good thing. Openness and access to information is a good thing. To those who are BAWWWWWing over it: Grow some balls, patch your shit, and get a spine. :)


 
RE: Some thoughts on SHODAN
by Decius at 10:41 am EST, Nov 29, 2009

ophelia wrote:
People are already debating over how soon SHODAN will be forced to shut down, and leaving aside the legal issues.

I hadn't heard of it. Its interesting.

From an ethical perspective, if its only purpose is to facilitate intrusions its probably not legal to operate it. The question is whether it has some value to legitimate security researchers, and I think the answer is yes. I would like to have someone perform a detailed netwide port scan and make the data available so that I can study it. I'm not sure a search engine is the right interface for getting at that data, but its a start.

Unfortunately a search for port 5060 returned no results, so I don't think the data here is comprehensive yet. Also, the site is buggy.


 
 
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