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Stupid Academy Award
by Hijexx at 6:21 pm EST, Apr 1, 2003 |
"The Michael Moore production Bowling for Columbine just won the Oscar for best documentary. Unfortunately, it is not a documentary. Bowling fails the first requirement of a documentary: some foundation in the truth. In his earlier works, Moore shifted dates and sequences for the sake of drama, but at least the events depicted did occur. Most of the time. Bowling breaks that last link with factual reality. It makes its points by deceiving and by misleading the viewer. Statements are made which are false. Moore invites the reader to draw inferences which he must have known were wrong. Dates are transposed and video carefully edited to create whatever effect is desired. Indeed, even speeches shown on screen are heavily edited, so that sentences are assembled in the speaker's voice, but which he never uttered." ... Well, when I watched Bowling for Columbine I thought it was pretty hard hitting. This article is a well needed second opinion. I'll have to take anything Michael Moore says with a few more grains of salt. He's working on a documentary about the connections between the Bush and Bin Laden family called "Farenheit 911." I was hoping for something good but if it's up to the standard of deception that "Bowling for Columbine" used, I think I'll pass. Shame on *you* Michael. |
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RE: Stupid Academy Award
by Dolemite at 8:42 am EST, Apr 2, 2003 |
Hijexx wrote:
] Well, when I watched Bowling for Columbine I thought it was
] pretty hard hitting. This article is a well needed second
] opinion. I'll have to take anything Michael Moore says with a
] few more grains of salt.
]
] He's working on a documentary about the connections between
] the Bush and Bin Laden family called "Farenheit 911." I was
] hoping for something good but if it's up to the standard of
] deception that "Bowling for Columbine" used, I think I'll
] pass.
]
] Shame on *you* Michael. First, I haven't seen "Bowling for Columbine" yet, but it's on my to-do list after the Academy Awards and just got bumped up because of this article. My response, though, is that you have to look at the source of the article. Go to the root of the website and it's a far right wing site. I don't link in stories from Mother Jones because it's far left wing, even though I read it. Just saying that besides taking Moore with a grain of salt, which I already do, you should treat this other article the same way. |
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RE: Stupid Academy Award
by flynn23 at 10:06 am EST, Apr 2, 2003 |
Hijexx wrote:
] "The Michael Moore production Bowling for Columbine just
] won the Oscar for best documentary. Unfortunately, it is not a
] documentary.
]
] Bowling fails the first requirement of a documentary: some
] foundation in the truth. In his earlier works, Moore shifted
] dates and sequences for the sake of drama, but at least the
] events depicted did occur. Most of the time. Bowling breaks
] that last link with factual reality. It makes its points by
] deceiving and by misleading the viewer. Statements are made
] which are false. Moore invites the reader to draw inferences
] which he must have known were wrong. Dates are transposed and
] video carefully edited to create whatever effect is desired.
] Indeed, even speeches shown on screen are heavily edited, so
] that sentences are assembled in the speaker's voice, but which
] he never uttered."
]
] ... ] Shame on *you* Michael. News Flash: Michael Moore is an idiot. Take it from someone who grew up in Southeast MI during the time he shot Roger and Me. Yes, GM is/was an evil corporation. But no, a lot of what he portrayed was not based in reality. Now he's made a career of sticking his finger in the eye of anyone that Joe Sixpack might hate. It's a formula and it's just as repugnant as the things he claims to rail against. Although I thought his TeeVee show was clever when it was on. |
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Stupid Academy Award
by Elonka at 6:30 pm EST, Apr 1, 2003 |
"The Michael Moore production Bowling for Columbine just won the Oscar for best documentary. Unfortunately, it is not a documentary. Bowling fails the first requirement of a documentary: some foundation in the truth. In his earlier works, Moore shifted dates and sequences for the sake of drama, but at least the events depicted did occur. Most of the time. Bowling breaks that last link with factual reality. It makes its points by deceiving and by misleading the viewer. Statements are made which are false. Moore invites the reader to draw inferences which he must have known were wrong. Dates are transposed and video carefully edited to create whatever effect is desired. Indeed, even speeches shown on screen are heavily edited, so that sentences are assembled in the speaker's voice, but which he never uttered." |
Stupid Academy Award - Bowling for Columbine
by Rattle at 7:25 pm EST, Apr 1, 2003 |
] The point is far more fundamental: Bowling for Columbine
] is dishonest. It is fraudulent. It fixes upon a theme,
] and advances it, whenever necessary, by deception. It
] even uses the audio/video editor to assemble a Heston
] speech that Heston did not give, and to turn sympathetic
] phrases into arrogant ones. You can't even trust the
] narrator to read you a plaque or show you a speech, for
] Pete's sake.
]
] The bottom line: can a film be called a documentary when
] the viewer cannot trust an iota of it, not only the
] narration, but the video? I suppose film critics could
] debate that one for a long time, and some might prefer
] entertainment and effect to fact and truth. But the
] Academy Award rules here are specific. Rule 11 lays out
] "Special Rules for the Documentary Award." And it begins
] with the definition: "A documentary film is defined as a
] non-fiction motion picture . . . ." It goes on to say
] that a documentary doesn't always have to show the
] "actual occurrence": it can employ re-enactment, etc.,
] "as long as the emphasis is on factual content and not on
] fiction." |
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