Rattle wrote:
] The only way things could get more surreal these days is if
] SETI@Home finds aliens.
]
] I just had another one of those "what the hell is going on?!"
] frenzies. This time, it was brought on by the end of Lou
] Dobbs Moneyline on CNN. I had mostly been ignoring the TV, I
] picked up on things here and there durring the commentary..
] It was going into how the UN is useless, Libia and Iraq
] heading counsels, France, etc, etc. What you'd expect.. Then
] right after, it broke to a musical molment.. A country singer
] was doing some tune that I think was called "Did You Forget",
] while video was going of Sept 11th's greatest hits, broken up
] by shots of troops getting on planes, walling thru the desert,
] helicopters buzzing around, etc.. The country song is what
] really did it to me though.. I could get over the Bush'ness
] of it all. I wish I could like a video or mp3 of this.

Yeah, I ran across that on TV last night too. *Really* strange, and it made me very uncomfortable. Especially one line in the song like, "If after 9/11 they think we're looking for a fight, well, I guess they're right." I'm completely against any idea that we should attack Iraq as some kind of "payback" for 9/11. Regardless of whether there's any Iraq-Al Qaeda link (and I don't think there's any strong one), the "payback" idea is not where I'm coming from at all!

Elonka wrote:
] Yeah, I ran across that on TV last night too. *Really*
] strange, and it made me very uncomfortable. Especially one
] line in the song like, "If after 9/11 they think we're looking
] for a fight, well, I guess they're right." I'm completely
] against any idea that we should attack Iraq as some kind of
] "payback" for 9/11. Regardless of whether there's any Iraq-Al
] Qaeda link (and I don't think there's any strong one), the
] "payback" idea is not where I'm coming from at all!

I have been unsuccessful in finding lyrics for that song posted anywhere. There were a number of lines like that in it that made my skin crawl.

Rattle wrote:
]
] I have been unsuccessful in finding lyrics for that song
] posted anywhere. There were a number of lines like that in it
] that made my skin crawl.

And here's info that scares me even more, from:

http://www.cnn.com/2003/SHOWBIZ/Music/03/07/hln.hot.hit.darryl.worley/

Worley's single strikes an emotional chord with listeners, reminding them of the attacks of September 11, 2001, and suggesting a link between al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden and Iraqi President Saddam Hussein. "Forgotten" has lit up request lines across the country and debuted at No. 41 on the Billboard Hot Country Singles & Tracks chart.

But the climb up the charts hasn't been a total hay ride. Worley's patriotic tune has been labeled "pro-war," and that leaves some radio programmers reluctant to play it now that the anti-war movement is gaining momentum.

Real Audio stream of the song "Have you Forgotten?" is here. Someone want to transcribe?

http://darrylworley.dreamworksnashville.com/

Elonka wrote:
] And here's info that scares me even more, from:
]
] http://www.cnn.com/2003/SHOWBIZ/Music/03/07/hln.hot.hit.darryl
] .worley/
]
] Worley's single strikes an emotional chord with listeners,
] reminding them of the attacks of September 11, 2001, and
] suggesting a link between al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden and
] Iraqi President Saddam Hussein. "Forgotten" has lit up request
] lines across the country and debuted at No. 41 on the
] Billboard Hot Country Singles & Tracks chart.
]
] But the climb up the charts hasn't been a total hay ride.
] Worley's patriotic tune has been labeled "pro-war," and that
] leaves some radio programmers reluctant to play it now that
] the anti-war movement is gaining momentum.

Yep, thats the guy. Furthermore, here are the lyrics of that song.

] 'Have You Forgotten' lyrics:
]
] Verse 1
] I HEAR PEOPLE SAYING WE DON'T NEED THIS WAR
] I SAY THERE'S SOME THINGS WORTH FIGHTING FOR
] WHAT ABOUT OUR FREEDOM AND THIS PIECE OF GROUND
] WE DIDN'T GET TO KEEP 'EM BY BACKING DOWN
] THEY SAY WE DON'T REALIZE THE MESS WE'RE GETTING IN
] BEFORE YOU START YOUR PREACHING LET ME ASK YOU THIS MY FRIEND
]
] Chorus 1
] HAVE YOU FORGOTTEN HOW IT FELT THAT DAY
] TO SEE YOUR HOMELAND UNDER FIRE
] AND HER PEOPLE BLOWN AWAY
] HAVE YOU FORGOTTEN WHEN THOSE TOWERS FELL
] WE HAD NEIGHBORS STILL INSIDE GOING THRU A LIVING HELL
] AND YOU SAY WE SHOULDN¹T WORRY ABOUT BIN LADEN
] HAVE YOU FORGOTTEN
]
] Verse 2
] THEY TOOK ALL THE FOOTAGE OFF MY T.V.
] SAID IT'S TOO DISTURBING FOR YOU AND ME
] IT'LL JUST BREED ANGER THAT'S WHAT THE EXPERTS SAY
] IF IT WAS UP TO ME I'D SHOW IT EVERYDAY
] SOME SAY THIS COUNTRY'S JUST OUT LOOKING FOR A FIGHT
] AFTER 9/11 MAN I'D HAVE TO SAY THAT'S RIGHT
]
] REPEAT CHORUS
]
] Bridge
] I'VE BEEN THERE WITH THE SOLDIERS
] WHO'VE GONE AWAY TO WAR
] AND YOU CAN BET THAT THEY REMEMBER
] JUST WHAT THEY'RE FIGHTING FOR
]
] Chorus 3
] HAVE YOU FORGOTTEN ALL THE PEOPLE KILLED
] SOME WENT DOWN LIKE HEROS IN THAT PENNSYLVANIA FIELD
] HAVE YOU FORGOTTEN ABOUT OUR PENTAGON
] ALL THE LOVED ONES THAT WE LOST AND THOSE LEFT TO CARRY ON
] DON'T YOU TELL ME NOT TO WORRY ABOUT BIN LADEN
] HAVE YOU FORGOTTEN
]
] Tag
] HAVE YOU FORGOTTEN
] HAVE YOU FORGOTTEN

Rattle wrote:
] Elonka wrote:
] ] And here's info that scares me even more, from:
] ]
] ]
] http://www.cnn.com/2003/SHOWBIZ/Music/03/07/hln.hot.hit.darryl
]
] ] I HEAR PEOPLE SAY WE DON'T NEED THIS WAR
] ] BUT I SAY THERE'S SOME THINGS WORTH FIGHTING FOR
. . .
] ] SOME SAY THIS COUNTRY'S JUST OUT LOOKING FOR A FIGHT
] ] AFTER 9/11 MAN I'D HAVE TO SAY THAT'S RIGHT
]

I've been wracking my brain trying to remember if the lyrics on the show last night were the same as in the posted lyrics of the song here. I could have sworn that there was some direct reference to Iraq last night, but it may have just been implied because of the context of the rest of the show, and how anybody saying "this war," today, is really referring to the War on Iraq.

And context does seem to be key on how I perceive the song. If I look at it in the context of the war on the Taliban and the search for Al Qaeda, I'm okay on the lyrics there. If I look at it as a justification for war on Iraq though, it bothers me. A lot. So it's very dependent on what "this war" means. The war in Afghanistan? Or Iraq?

Elonka wrote:
] I've been wracking my brain trying to remember if the lyrics
] on the show last night were the same as in the posted lyrics
] of the song here. I could have sworn that there was some
] direct reference to Iraq last night, but it may have just been
] implied because of the context of the rest of the show, and
] how anybody saying "this war," today, is really referring to
] the War on Iraq.
]
] And context does seem to be key on how I perceive the song.
] If I look at it in the context of the war on the Taliban and
] the search for Al Qaeda, I'm okay on the lyrics there. If I
] look at it as a justification for war on Iraq though, it
] bothers me. A lot. So it's very dependent on what "this war"
] means. The war in Afghanistan? Or Iraq?

No, I am pretty sure you are correct, that there was direct reference to Iraq in the song. The version played on Moneyline last night was live, these are the lyrics for the album version. Its likely possible that the live version had an extra verse or something like that.

Rattle wrote:
] Elonka wrote:
] ] I've been wracking my brain trying to remember if the lyrics
] ] on the show last night were the same as in the posted lyrics
] ] of the song here. I could have sworn that there was some
] ] direct reference to Iraq last night, but it may have just been
] ] implied because of the context of the rest of the show, and
] ] how anybody saying "this war," today, is really referring to
] ] the War on Iraq.
] ]

] No, I am pretty sure you are correct, that there was direct
] reference to Iraq in the song. The version played on
] Moneyline last night was live, these are the lyrics for the
] album version. Its likely possible that the live version had
] an extra verse or something like that.

And here's some verification of the songwriter's intent, since at his personal site, http://www.darrylworley.com/, it specifically says:

Country artist Darryl Worley is first out of the gate with a record that endorses war with Iraq.

I guess with all the celebrities that are shouting, "No war!" it doesn't surprise me that there are also some shouting, "War!" I just get the heebie-jeebies at *any* celebrities trying to sway public opinion on such an important matter, especially when so few of them are actually informed on the issues.

Elonka wrote:
] And here's some verification of the songwriter's intent, since
] at his personal site, http://www.darrylworley.com/, it
] specifically says:
]
] Country artist Darryl Worley is first out of the gate with
] a record that endorses war with Iraq.
]
] I guess with all the celebrities that are shouting, "No war!"
] it doesn't surprise me that there are also some shouting,
] "War!" I just get the heebie-jeebies at *any* celebrities
] trying to sway public opinion on such an important matter,
] especially when so few of them are actually informed on the
] issues.

Well, I guess this is what the USO does.. shrug..