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The Quiet Coup - The Atlantic (May 2009)
by Lost at 4:05 am EDT, Mar 27, 2009

The crash has laid bare many unpleasant truths about the United States. One of the most alarming, says a former chief economist of the International Monetary Fund, is that the finance industry has effectively captured our government—a state of affairs that more typically describes emerging markets, and is at the center of many emerging-market crises. If the IMF’s staff could speak freely about the U.S., it would tell us what it tells all countries in this situation: recovery will fail unless we break the financial oligarchy that is blocking essential reform. And if we are to prevent a true depression, we’re running out of time.


 
RE: The Quiet Coup - The Atlantic (May 2009)
by flynn23 at 9:04 am EDT, Mar 27, 2009

Jello wrote:

The crash has laid bare many unpleasant truths about the United States. One of the most alarming, says a former chief economist of the International Monetary Fund, is that the finance industry has effectively captured our government—a state of affairs that more typically describes emerging markets, and is at the center of many emerging-market crises. If the IMF’s staff could speak freely about the U.S., it would tell us what it tells all countries in this situation: recovery will fail unless we break the financial oligarchy that is blocking essential reform. And if we are to prevent a true depression, we’re running out of time.

There is one person who seems to understand what's going on.


The Quiet Coup
by noteworthy at 7:58 am EDT, Mar 27, 2009

Simon Johnson, in the May 2009 issue of The Atlantic:

The conventional wisdom among the elite is still that the current slump “cannot be as bad as the Great Depression.” This view is wrong. What we face now could, in fact, be worse than the Great Depression—because the world is now so much more interconnected and because the banking sector is now so big. We face a synchronized downturn in almost all countries, a weakening of confidence among individuals and firms, and major problems for government finances. If our leadership wakes up to the potential consequences, we may yet see dramatic action on the banking system and a breaking of the old elite. Let us hope it is not then too late.

Peter Schiff:

I think things are going to get very bad.

Nouriel Roubini:

Things are going to be awful for everyday people.

Michael Lewis:

The era that defined Wall Street is finally, officially over.

Rebecca Brock:

People say to me, "Whatever it takes." I tell them, It's going to take everything.

From the archive:

My heart swells in my chest and while I laugh,
I feel fear, smell a faint stench of insanity.


 
RE: The Quiet Coup
by skullaria at 4:46 pm EDT, Mar 27, 2009

noteworthy wrote:
Simon Johnson, in the May 2009 issue of The Atlantic:

The conventional wisdom among the elite is still that the current slump “cannot be as bad as the Great Depression.” This view is wrong. What we face now could, in fact, be worse than the Great Depression—because the world is now so much more interconnected and because the banking sector is now so big. We face a synchronized downturn in almost all countries, a weakening of confidence among individuals and firms, and major problems for government finances. If our leadership wakes up to the potential consequences, we may yet see dramatic action on the banking system and a breaking of the old elite. Let us hope it is not then too late.

Peter Schiff:

I think things are going to get very bad.

Nouriel Roubini:

Things are going to be awful for everyday people.

Michael Lewis:

The era that defined Wall Street is finally, officially over.

Rebecca Brock:

People say to me, "Whatever it takes." I tell them, It's going to take everything.

From the archive:

My heart swells in my chest and while I laugh,
I feel fear, smell a faint stench of insanity.

Reads like a conspiracy theory book to me.
To bad it makes sense.


The Quiet Coup
by noteworthy at 3:17 pm EDT, Mar 29, 2009

If you think "Russia" when you hear "oligarchy", think again.

By now, the princes of the financial world have of course been stripped naked as leaders and strategists -- at least in the eyes of most Americans. But as the months have rolled by, financial elites have continued to assume that their position as the economy’s favored children is safe, despite the wreckage they have caused.

Even leaving aside fairness to taxpayers, the government’s velvet-glove approach with the banks is deeply troubling, for one simple reason: it is inadequate to change the behavior of a financial sector accustomed to doing business on its own terms, at a time when that behavior must change.

Only decisive government action -- exposing the full extent of the financial rot and restoring some set of banks to publicly verifiable health -- can cure the financial sector as a whole.

This may seem like strong medicine. But in fact, while necessary, it is insufficient. The second problem the U.S. faces -- the power of the oligarchy -- is just as important as the immediate crisis of lending. And the advice from the IMF on this front would again be simple: break the oligarchy.

Jules Dupuit:

It is not because of the few thousand francs which would have to be spent to put a roof over the third-class carriage or to upholster the third-class seats that some company or other has open carriages with wooden benches ... What the company is trying to do is prevent the passengers who can pay the second-class fare from traveling third class; it hits the poor, not because it wants to hurt them, but to frighten the rich ... And it is again for the same reason that the companies, having proved almost cruel to the third-class passengers and mean to the second-class ones, become lavish in dealing with first-class customers. Having refused the poor what is necessary, they give the rich what is superfluous.

Peter Schiff:

I think things are going to get very bad.

From the recent archive:

After jokingly asking "Time to buy gold, huh?", there was a pregnant pause. Then came the response: "Buy ammunition".


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