ubernoir wrote:

Not so long ago, corporate giants with names like PanAm, ITT and Montgomery Ward roamed the earth. They faded and were replaced by new companies with names like Microsoft, Southwest Airlines and Target. The U.S. became famous for this pattern of decay and new growth. Over time, American government built a bigger safety net so workers could survive the vicissitudes of this creative destruction — with unemployment insurance and soon, one hopes, health care security. But the government has generally not interfered in the dynamic process itself, which is the source of the country’s prosperity.

Here's an answer to the question, and I guarantee it's not the one Brooks is looking for. Given the current stock price of GM, rather than a $50 billion bailout, how about a $3-5 billion hostile takeover?

How about saying to Lee Iacoca, "Lee, we've created a new position with you in mind. It's called Undersecretary of Transportation - Governor General Motors. You'll effectively be CEO-GM, and your new "board of directors" is sitting in the big chair at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. Your country is asking you to come back, for one last service. Are you up to the challenge?"

And before anyone reflex responds "omg! Socialism!" it would be best to actually think that one out. This isn't taking a public corp and nationalizing it, it's about forcing a change on one of the most mismanaged companies of the last 50 years because they're too stupid for the Darwinian market forces to work.

Mike the Usurper wrote:

ubernoir wrote:

Not so long ago, corporate giants with names like PanAm, ITT and Montgomery Ward roamed the earth. They faded and were replaced by new companies with names like Microsoft, Southwest Airlines and Target. The U.S. became famous for this pattern of decay and new growth. Over time, American government built a bigger safety net so workers could survive the vicissitudes of this creative destruction — with unemployment insurance and soon, one hopes, health care security. But the government has generally not interfered in the dynamic process itself, which is the source of the country’s prosperity.

Here's an answer to the question, and I guarantee it's not the one Brooks is looking for. Given the current stock price of GM, rather than a $50 billion bailout, how about a $3-5 billion hostile takeover?

How about saying to Lee Iacoca, "Lee, we've created a new position with you in mind. It's called Undersecretary of Transportation - Governor General Motors. You'll effectively be CEO-GM, and your new "board of directors" is sitting in the big chair at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. Your country is asking you to come back, for one last service. Are you up to the challenge?"

And before anyone reflex responds "omg! Socialism!" it would be best to actually think that one out. This isn't taking a public corp and nationalizing it, it's about forcing a change on one of the most mismanaged companies of the last 50 years because they're too stupid for the Darwinian market forces to work.

British Leyland

ubernoir wrote:

Mike the Usurper wrote:

ubernoir wrote:

Not so long ago, corporate giants with names like PanAm, ITT and Montgomery Ward roamed the earth. They faded and were replaced by new companies with names like Microsoft, Southwest Airlines and Target. The U.S. became famous for this pattern of decay and new growth. Over time, American government built a bigger safety net so workers could survive the vicissitudes of this creative destruction — with unemployment insurance and soon, one hopes, health care security. But the government has generally not interfered in the dynamic process itself, which is the source of the country’s prosperity.

Here's an answer to the question, and I guarantee it's not the one Brooks is looking for. Given the current stock price of GM, rather than a $50 billion bailout, how about a $3-5 billion hostile takeover?

How about saying to Lee Iacoca, "Lee, we've created a new position with you in mind. It's called Undersecretary of Transportation - Governor General Motors. You'll effectively be CEO-GM, and your new "board of directors" is sitting in the big chair at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. Your country is asking you to come back, for one last service. Are you up to the challenge?"

And before anyone reflex responds "omg! Socialism!" it would be best to actually think that one out. This isn't taking a public corp and nationalizing it, it's about forcing a change on one of the most mismanaged companies of the last 50 years because they're too stupid for the Darwinian market forces to work.

British Leyland

This is actually a pretty good case to look at, but there are some issues. BL had problems, turning out iffy cars over a near 20 year period, but how is that any different from what GM has been doing for their past 20 years? The Cavalier? The Astro? There is certainly a historical argument to be made that a prior attempt at this was unsuccessful, but given what GM has been churning out, it's very hard to make a case that the results would be any worse than leaving GM to its own devices.

While this sort of shake up by itself may not improve things, active overview could, by itself, weed out the sort of stupidity we've been seeing at AIG over the past month (bailout money paying for "executive retreats" to high priced resorts). Buying GM may not solve the issue, but I'm hard pressed to seeing it be any wose than the current situation. Even if all it does as drag out the collapse of GM from a period of weeks/months to a period of years, that is an improvement because you can spread the transitioning of the GM related workforce into other areas over a much longer period.

Mike the Usurper wrote:

ubernoir wrote:

Mike the Usurper wrote:

ubernoir wrote:

Not so long ago, corporate giants with names like PanAm, ITT and Montgomery Ward roamed the earth. They faded and were replaced by new companies with names like Microsoft, Southwest Airlines and Target. The U.S. became famous for this pattern of decay and new growth. Over time, American government built a bigger safety net so workers could survive the vicissitudes of this creative destruction — with unemployment insurance and soon, one hopes, health care security. But the government has generally not interfered in the dynamic process itself, which is the source of the country’s prosperity.

Here's an answer to the question, and I guarantee it's not the one Brooks is looking for. Given the current stock price of GM, rather than a $50 billion bailout, how about a $3-5 billion hostile takeover?

How about saying to Lee Iacoca, "Lee, we've created a new position with you in mind. It's called Undersecretary of Transportation - Governor General Motors. You'll effectively be CEO-GM, and your new "board of directors" is sitting in the big chair at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. Your country is asking you to come back, for one last service. Are you up to the challenge?"

And before anyone reflex responds "omg! Socialism!" it would be best to actually think that one out. This isn't taking a public corp and nationalizing it, it's about forcing a change on one of the most mismanaged companies of the last 50 years because they're too stupid for the Darwinian market forces to work.

British Leyland

This is actually a pretty good case to look at, but there are some issues. BL had problems, turning out iffy cars over a near 20 year period, but how is that any different from what GM has been doing for their past 20 years? The Cavalier? The Astro? There is certainly a historical argument to be made that a prior attempt at this was unsuccessful, but given what GM has been churning out, it's very hard to make a case that the results would be any worse than leaving GM to its own devices.

While this sort of shake up by itself may not improve things, active overview could, by itself, weed out the sort of stupidity we've been seeing at AIG over the past month (bailout money paying for "executive retreats" to high priced resorts). Buying GM may not solve the issue, but I'm hard pressed to seeing it be any wose than the current situation. Even if all it does as drag out the collapse of GM from a period of weeks/months to a period of years, that is an improvement because you can spread the transitioning of the GM related workforce into other areas over a much longer period.

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ubernoir wrote:

Mike the Usurper wrote:

ubernoir wrote:

Mike the Usurper wrote:

ubernoir wrote:

Not so long ago, corporate giants with names like PanAm, ITT and Montgomery Ward roamed the earth. They faded and were replaced by new companies with names like Microsoft, Southwest Airlines and Target. The U.S. became famous for this pattern of decay and new growth. Over time, American government built a bigger safety net so workers could survive the vicissitudes of this creative destruction — with unemployment insurance and soon, one hopes, health care security. But the government has generally not interfered in the dynamic process itself, which is the source of the country’s prosperity.

Here's an answer to the question, and I guarantee it's not the one Brooks is looking for. Given the current stock price of GM, rather than a $50 billion bailout, how about a $3-5 billion hostile takeover?

How about saying to Lee Iacoca, "Lee, we've created a new position with you in mind. It's called Undersecretary of Transportation - Governor General Motors. You'll effectively be CEO-GM, and your new "board of directors" is sitting in the big chair at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. Your country is asking you to come back, for one last service. Are you up to the challenge?"

And before anyone reflex responds "omg! Socialism!" it would be best to actually think that one out. This isn't taking a public corp and nationalizing it, it's about forcing a change on one of the most mismanaged companies of the last 50 years because they're too stupid for the Darwinian market forces to work.

British Leyland

This is actually a pretty good case to look at, but there are some issues. BL had problems, turning out iffy cars over a near 20 year period, but how is that any different from what GM has been doing for their past 20 years? The Cavalier? The Astro? There is certainly a historical argument to be made that a prior attempt at this was unsuccessful, but given what GM has been churning out, it's very hard to make a case that the results would be any worse than leaving GM to its own devices.

While this sort of shake up by itself may not improve things, active overview could, by itself, weed out the sort of stupidity we've been seeing at AIG over the past month (bailout money paying for "executive retreats" to high priced resorts). Buying GM may not solve the issue, but I'm hard pressed to seeing it be any wose than the current situation. Even if all it does as drag out the collapse of GM from a period of weeks/months to a period of years, that is an improvement because you can spread the transitioning of the GM related workforce into other areas over a much longer period.

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