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H.R. 190: Social Security for Americans Only Act of 2007 (GovTrack.us)
by Decius at 2:47 pm EST, Nov 12, 2007

Here is a good example of why I don't like Ron Paul and why I think Ron Paul is anti-immigration.

He has sponsored a bill this year called "Social Security for Americans Only Act of 2007." It prevents any wages earned by people who are not American Citizens after the end of this year from being included in any calculation of any future social security payments made to them. It has two primary impacts on immigrants:

1. Taxes that immigrants pay into the social security system before they become citizens, such as while they are living in the United States on visas, or green cards, are essentially forfeited. The US Government takes that money but does not pay any benefit on it.

2. The US has reciprocity agreements with a number of countries so that people who live some of their life in one country and some of their life in another country can access social security upon retirement based on their payments into both programs. This rule would end those agreements for everyone except people like me who have been dual citizens from a young age.

My father lived about a third of his working life in Canada, a third as a US immigrant on visas, and a third of his working life in the US as a citizen. We could not have immigrated to the United States if such a rule were in place in the 1980's, as the financial impact on his ability to retire would have been prohibitive. If such a rule is made retroactive, as many in this movement would like to see, it will have a huge financial impact on my family, because my mother's future social security earnings will be substantially reduced. It may result in her moving back to Canada.

This isn't anti-illegal immigration. It is anti-immigration. It is not fueled by genuine fiscal libertarianism or any concept of fairness, as it involves taking taxes from people without offering benefits and marooning American Citizens who live abroad by undercutting reciprocity agreements. Its fueled by the "blame the Mexicans" xenophobic scapegoating that became popular just as soon as people realized that there wasn't going to be an emotionally fulfilling military victory in Iraq.

I will not support this. This hurts me and my family.


 
RE: H.R. 190: Social Security for Americans Only Act of 2007 (GovTrack.us)
by Stefanie at 7:01 pm EST, Nov 12, 2007

Retroactive?! That's... not good.


  
RE: H.R. 190: Social Security for Americans Only Act of 2007 (GovTrack.us)
by Decius at 7:52 pm EST, Nov 12, 2007

Stefanie wrote:
Retroactive?! That's... not good.

The bill is not retroactive right now, but certainly if you are a green card holder working towards citizenship you've already made your financial plans based on social security this bill would take away from you.


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