dc0de wrote:

I Love Lamp wrote:
Wow, this is really quite scary. The UK gets more fucked up each year. For your 'enhanced security'.

This is what America is going to become... the UK/EU is the test bed for new fascist ideas to invade privacy...

that's nonsense

i live in a country with a high level of surveilance but i'm not such a paranoid fool as to think the government is spying to me, it's to prevent crime, traffic accidents etc maybe you have too much of a dogmatic approach whereas the British are notoriously practical. We have a free press and no equivilent of Fox News, your Right wing talk radio, nobody in any of the major political parties would suggest banning abortion, argue the validity of creationism (or that it should be on a science curriculum), we don't have the death penalty and have a lower per capita murder rate, we don't have guns and (apart from extremely rare occasions like Dunblane) mass shootings, we don't have masses of white power nutters armed to the teeth hold up in Wales (note Montana), we have an admittedly not perfect system of universal health care (get cancer in the US and if you're uninsured then you're screwed -- note a recent NYT op-ed)

this country is far from perfect but i think you need a little perspective and a closer look at some of what Bush has been doing re surveilance and torture
Briain still adheres to the Geneva Convention

plus incidently the UK and the EU are not synonymous

before you start accusing countries of right wing extremism maybe you should look closer to home

oh i'm forgetting we have openly gay government ministers (equivalent of cabinet secretary) and we have gay civil unions (one step below the full recognition of gay marriage) and we had a woman leader

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