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Paul Saffo: USA to disappear in 50 years
by possibly noteworthy at 4:46 pm EDT, Sep 15, 2007

There's less than 50% chance that the United States will exist by the middle of this century. And that is actually good news.

This reminds me of The New Middle Ages, an essay by John Rapley in the May/June 2006 issue of Foreign Affairs, which Decius and I recommended. That essay is behind a paywall at Foreign Affairs, but if you disable Javascript, you can read it here (via the Wayback machine). (You must disable Javascript because otherwise the page will immediately redirect you to afr.com.)

Rapley writes:

Often what takes place is not so much collapse as reconfiguration -- what some scholars have described as the emergence of a new Middle Ages. And close study suggests that the power of statelets and other new political actors will be less transitory, more significant, and more resistant to intervention than is usually assumed.

What killed off the European Middle Ages was capitalism. In the last decades of the twentieth century, as capitalism began to operate on an increasingly global scale, the nation-state and the other structures and institutions of the modern era started to fray around the edges, leading scholars to talk of a new medievalism.

Wandering through many cities of the developing world today, one comes up against the limits of modernity. Still, although the weakness of the state today is most pronounced in the developing world, the state's retreat is also a global phenomenon. What is emerging is a global economy increasingly centered on what some theorists have called "global cities" -- major urban centers that are connected less to their hinterlands and more to their counterparts elsewhere.

Today, pundits writing about the future of the US empire tend to adopt an inward-looking approach similar to that of earlier generations of historians of the Roman Empire. For example, scholars debate topics such as whether the US economy can bear the cost of maintaining so many overseas military and diplomatic operations. But they tend to neglect the vast portion of humanity kept at bay beyond the empire's borders, who regard it with the same mixture of awe, longing, and bitterness with which the barbarians once regarded the Eternal City.

As states recede and the new medievalism advances, the outside world is destined to move increasingly beyond the control -- and even the understanding -- of the new Rome. The globe's variegated informal and quasi-informal statelike activities will continue to expand, as will the power and reach of those who live by them. The new Romans, like the old, might not enjoy the consequences.


 
RE: Paul Saffo: USA to disappear in 50 years
by Decius at 5:08 pm EDT, Sep 15, 2007

possibly noteworthy wrote:

There's less than 50% chance that the United States will exist by the middle of this century. And that is actually good news.

I think this is completely insane.
1. Nothing Califorina does should ever be extrapolated. California cannot be extrapolated. Only a Californian would think so.
2. California is not a city.
3. Singapore is not a democracy.
4. People care too much about America to let it die. There will be people running around with American flags 1000 years from now.


 
 
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