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Interwebs and Politics? by Adam at 1:56 pm EDT, Aug 1, 2007 |
Article today in NY Times on the Edwards campaign's usage of the Internet as the primary force in his candidacy now in the run up to Iowa. "After running a decidedly traditional race for the White House in 2004 and in the early stages of this contest, Mr. Edwards has quietly overhauled his campaign with one central goal: to harness the Internet and the political energy that liberal Democrats are sending coursing through it. In a slow but striking power shift, advisers who champion the political power of the Web have eclipsed the coterie of advisers who long dominated Mr. Edwards’s inner circle, both reflecting and intensifying his transformation into a more populist, aggressive candidate." Seems like no-brainer stuff to me. But, more in question, imo though, is the Edwards campaign assertions of vitality based on web traffic that, as the article implies, could have been generated by any number of sources whose affiliations can't really be determined by a hit. And if a hit on John Edwards' webpage is an indication of support for him, then by that turn, I guess that means I'm a supporter of Scientology. There seems to have been interesting results from the CNN/YouTube debates, so I wonder if the real metric of the Internet's effect on national debate/the political process leading up to the election doesn't come more from participation in the debate (the voiceless get a chance to be heard in the conversation for a cheap webcam and a coherent sentence) and less from just having 24/7 access to information on a website. |
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RE: Interwebs and Politics? by Worthersee at 2:09 pm EDT, Aug 1, 2007 |
Adam wrote: And if a hit on John Edwards' webpage is an indication of support for him, then by that turn, I guess that means I'm a supporter of Scientology.
By that logic I'm a supporter of beastality... Oops. |
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RE: Interwebs and Politics? by Decius at 2:21 pm EDT, Aug 1, 2007 |
Adam wrote: Seems like no-brainer stuff to me. But, more in question, imo though, is the Edwards campaign assertions of vitality based on web traffic that, as the article implies, could have been generated by any number of sources whose affiliations can't really be determined by a hit. And if a hit on John Edwards' webpage is an indication of support for him, then by that turn, I guess that means I'm a supporter of Scientology. There seems to have been interesting results from the CNN/YouTube debates, so I wonder if the real metric of the Internet's effect on national debate/the political process leading up to the election doesn't come more from participation in the debate (the voiceless get a chance to be heard in the conversation for a cheap webcam and a coherent sentence) and less from just having 24/7 access to information on a website.
Hate to be cynical, but I honestly think for Edwards the metric of success is how many dollars are donated to his campaign through the web site. I don't think the youtube debate was really any easier to get into than to be a question asker in a televised debate, do you? |
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RE: Interwebs and Politics? by Adam at 7:31 pm EDT, Aug 1, 2007 |
Decius wrote: Hate to be cynical, but I honestly think for Edwards the metric of success is how many dollars are donated to his campaign through the web site. I don't think the youtube debate was really any easier to get into than to be a question asker in a televised debate, do you?
Nah, not cynical at all... That's definitely a fair and realistic point. Oddly though, in the article, Edwards' campaign manager was trying to correlate site hits to calendar-based milestones in the campaign, which just seemed like a strange way to try to understand the vitality of the campaign, which the article implied. Money definitely is the loudest, most persuasive talker political talker, to be sure. I don't think it's a question of ease of asking a question so much as opportunity. In a televised debate on say a college campus, the audiences are very small and obviously hand picked. I can remember attendee questions in 2004 that were so obnoxiously nuanced that you can tell the speaker had won some sort of problems of democracy pageant in their 300 level government course and that's why they were there, or some deviation there of (dating the dean's daughter, etc.). Enter in user submissions from YouTube, now, in theory at least, anyone in the country, Republican or Democrat (would hope this is an open debate), has the chance to be heard or considered. Now, keep in mind, CNN took the safe route and aired only pre-screened, pre-selected questions, but the point is, someone from Seattle could have taken part in a debate being held geographically in Georgia, for example. Admittedly, they're still subjected to the same question cherry-picking any debate seems to be, but at least now we've got the opportunity to be rejected, where as that never existed before. The questions got rated in the YouTube submissions (most popular question revolved around impeachment of the Bush Admin., but that didn't get asked), and, it seems to me the most democratic thing to do would have been pose the top 10 questions to the candidates, with the assumption that they're in the top because they're intelligent/well-thought out and represent the conscience of those who want to participate. Now, that didn't happen, but it does seem to me that this concept floated out there (however half-assed) but CNN, is at least a toe-dip into the pool of a more democratic, more open debate (powered by the Internet) in this country with regard to these elections. I just hope the country dives headfirst in at some point for some raw discussion (political skinnydipping?). |
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RE: Interwebs and Politics? by Decius at 12:17 pm EDT, Aug 2, 2007 |
Adam wrote: The questions got rated in the YouTube submissions (most popular question revolved around impeachment of the Bush Admin., but that didn't get asked), and, it seems to me the most democratic thing to do would have been pose the top 10 questions to the candidates, with the assumption that they're in the top because they're intelligent/well-thought out and represent the conscience of those who want to participate.
I was wondering whether the questions asked were decided by the audience, THAT would be more interesting in my mind, but you can't really have a direct democracy on the internet because everyone can vote as many times as they want. You need some sort of moderation/reputation system to decide whose votes are worth giving weight too. Right now the sort of communities that are sophisticated enough to offer that are few and far between. Slashdot does this kind of thing on a regular basis though... |
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