Decius wrote:

Mike the Usurper wrote:
On the topic of the original article, I do find his proposed veto of health care for millions of CHILDREN to be offensive beyond words, but he has the power to do so if he chooses (demonstrating yet again he's an oxygen thief). Can he do it? Yes. Should he do it? Well I suppose Herod didn't feel bad about his little executive order, so why should W?

The question is why is he doing it? There are articulate reasons they don't support this. I haven't studied it, but if its that open and shut and the executive was simply being irrational, you'd get your override. I think its rarely that simple.

I used to agree, but that presupposes the president is a rational, thinking person with thought out positions and defensible arguments. He's not. He's simply not.

Likewise for the braindead monkeys that follow his every word, and wouldn't oppose him on anything.

Your arguments are based on statesmen who actually work to accomplish things and have a willingness to engage their intellect. Faith has now replaced intellect for enough politicians that the system is untrustworthy.

I don't necessarily think that means the system needs to be replaced. I brought up the original link more because i thought it was an interesting position to take than because i believe it 100%. I don't really know what I think about it.

But i do know that the system isn't supposed to be as hard as it is right now because politicians aren't supposed to act on faith, but they are.

See too the current R threat to simply filibuster 100% of anything dealing with Iraq. It's not right. It's a fucking childish abuse of process. The Dems really just need to require them to actually deliver, and keep pressing forward. If the R's keep filibustering, pretty soon none of them will have a voice left, on top of which they'll no longer be able to hide behind the argument that they're simply being steadfast... the obstruction will be clear. I half want the Dem's to effectively shut down government by requiring the R's, either in congress or the white house, to obstruct every single bill.

Of course, that won't work because our criminally out-to-lunch media won't bother to get the real story and will simply undermine government itself, which not a few on the Right actually see as the final goal.

[EDIT] I was right, by the way. Fucking CNN headline news just reported on this and dropped the ball, as expected.

They presented a democrat, saying that "It's important to have this debate." and a republican getting twice as much time to decry the "political theatre" supposedly being engaged in by the democrats after which the host simply says that the bill under consideration does not have enough votes to pass. For one thing, we don't know that for sure because there was no mention of the relative support. Secondly, what's being filibustered is the ability to get this amendment under discussion so that it can be voted on in the first place. It does not have 60 votes, which would get it past the filibuster, certainly, but that's not what was presented, nor was there any effort to educate anyone about anything actually occurring. More He-said-she-said nonsense.

[EDIT 2]And they keep doing it. Reuters fucks this one up. The news media are suffering from complete dereliction of duty.

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