Decius wrote:

Mike the Usurper wrote:

Decius wrote:
Its not really clear there is a problem here beyond the fact that Ohio (like many states) has a partisan appointee running their elections commission and they picked the same outsourcing partner. I think elections in the US should be operated by the federal government. Basically, the propriety of Ohio's elections impacts who my President is, and so I ought to have a say in how they operate their election.

Not really clear there's a problem? When 2+2=5 there's a problem. At this point we are looking at a systematic attack to turn the nation from a constitutional republic, flawed as it may be, into a banana republic kleptocracy. And if you don't understand where that comes from, you obviously haven't been watching state local and federal officials who have come under indictment or been sent to jail, overwhelmingly Republican, the bogus or botched prosecutions (see Georgia Thompson, wrongfully sent to jail on a Republican witch hunt for starters), the disastrous boondoggle of Katrina where billions have been spent to help no one but vampiric corporations, the complete and utter mess of Iraq, and the fact that SIX AND A HALF YEARS AFTER OSAMA BIN LADEN BLEW UP THE WORLD TRADE CENTER, HE'S STILL AT LARGE.

Time to pull your head out of the sand. Remember this? The 2004 election was stolen. The 2000 election was stolen. Take a quick look at this photo of the "Florida mob" that was shouting down the recount. Want a reason for impeachment? Bush LOST and his party subverted the voting process to keep his ass planted in the White House.

Um, no, its not clear that there is a problem here. Absolutely nothing that you just said has anything to do with whether or not this specific computer was used to manipulate the election.

Let me put this a different way. Given the irregularities noted in the RFK piece, and given that the systems were used, and are a, if not the, primary GOP hosting sight, this is something that should be dug into with a fine tooth comb.

With all of the other things that the GOP has been doing during this administration (how many congressmen and functionaries are we up to now anyway?), I fully expect such an investigation will find they stuffed the ballot box. They have done so much other crap along similar lines (fake voter fraud, real voter supression) that they no longer get the benefit of any doubt. When you couple this with the fact that we are talking about Ohio, where GOP elected officials at all levels are either under investigation, indictment or in jail (Ney, Taft and Noe as names I can pull off the top of my head) my confidence in that assessment is high.

You don't put the fox in charge of the henhouse. Maybe he really didn't do anything and those chickens walked off on their own, but I'm not going to believe that until full results are in. I'm not going to send them to jail until then either, but the folks at Danbury should start prepping some space.

And if you still have questions, take a look specifically at,

On Election Night 2004, many of the totals reported by the Secretary of State were based on local precinct results that were impossible. In Clyde, Ohio, a Republican haven, Bush won big after 131 percent voter turnout. In Republican Perry County, two precincts came in at 124 percent and 120 percent respectively. In Gahanna Ward 1, precinct B, Bush received 4,258 votes despite the fact that only 638 people voted for president. In Concord Southwest in Miami County, the certified election results proudly proclaimed at 679 out of 689 registered voters cast ballots, a 98.55 percent turnout. FreePress.org later found that only 547 voters had signed in.

Put that together with this,

This was the case until shortly after midnight on Wednesday, Nov. 3, when for roughly 90 minutes the Ohio election results reported on the Secretary of State's website were frozen. Shortly before 2am EST election returns came in from a handful of the state's rural Republican enclaves, bumping Bush's numbers over the top.

and my assessment is, they saw W was going to lose Ohio, and stuffed the box. Means, motive, opportunity and obvious irregularities that point at fraud.

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