ilsundal wrote:

One of the teenagers responsible for beating a Holly Hill homeless man to death asked a judge to reduce his 22-year prison sentence Monday. Warren Messner and three other teens pled guilty to killing the man because they were bored, but Messner said prison is too hard.

Yeah, they're right. Prison's too hard on a 15 year old boy. They should commute the sentence of 22 years in prison to the mother and give him death.

I don't care what sort of crap they give you about the biology of adolescent children and how their thought processes work. Any child over the age of 2 can learn that hurting other people physically is about one of the most seriously wrong things you can do, even if they don't "fully grasp the concept of mortality."

Well the kid failed one of those life lessons that even a three year old can grasp, and judging by the responses by the mother, there's a high likelihood that bad parenting is partially to blame. Not only did that little cretin kill someone, he showed absolutely no remorse and no fear of any consequences, which to me means that there's been a deplorable lack of discipline. And WORSE, the mother moaning over how a prison sentence for KILLING a man is so unfair to her poor little lump of lard...

When I was a kid, and YOUNGER than this kid at that, even if I couldn't fully grasp ALL the rammifications of whatever bad behavior I might do, connecting the dots to what sort of behavior might get my ass beat was pretty easy. This sort of self-preserving logic works independently of whether or not a kid is a fat pud, as long as the kid is taught to respect the fact that every action has a consequence, good or bad, and that they will have to face up to those consequences. But this kid never got taught. Now society has to make up for her lack of discipline and punish her son in her stead at our expense.

By the way, good on the judges for saying deprivation of services is the point of prison. Now if only they pulled cable TV out of the prisons, I might believe it.

Tubby there can't take Juvie? He'll be in for a big shock when he gets moved to prison and his fat ass learns first time about the horrible things that people do because "they [are] bored."

His mother's attitude is somewhat telling. No wonder this kid probably doesn't care about his victim. His mother expresses no concern for the homeless man whose life was needlessly brought to a cruel end. Well Mom, if you're so worried, you provide it! Where were you when your son was doing this! I don't know how culpable she is exactly, but she should examine herself and her son. Right now, I only have nominal sympathy for her. I am inclined to say thanks for unleashing your offspring on us. Never ever did I want to do that to an innocent person! Wanting to do that is not normal. I hate excuse making. The excuses made for teens who kill would apall most teenagers.

ilsundal wrote:

One of the teenagers responsible for beating a Holly Hill homeless man to death asked a judge to reduce his 22-year prison sentence Monday. Warren Messner and three other teens pled guilty to killing the man because they were bored, but Messner said prison is too hard.

Yeah, they're right. Prison's too hard on a 15 year old boy. They should commute the sentence of 22 years in prison to the mother and give him death.

I don't care what sort of crap they give you about the biology of adolescent children and how their thought processes work. Any child over the age of 2 can learn that hurting other people physically is about one of the most seriously wrong things you can do, even if they don't "fully grasp the concept of mortality."

Well the kid failed one of those life lessons that even a three year old can grasp, and judging by the responses by the mother, there's a high likelihood that bad parenting is partially to blame. Not only did that little cretin kill someone, he showed absolutely no remorse and no fear of any consequences, which to me means that there's been a deplorable lack of discipline. And WORSE, the mother moaning over how a prison sentence for KILLING a man is so unfair to her poor little lump of lard...

When I was a kid, and YOUNGER than this kid at that, even if I couldn't fully grasp ALL the rammifications of whatever bad behavior I might do, connecting the dots to what sort of behavior might get my ass beat was pretty easy. This sort of self-preserving logic works independently of whether or not a kid is a fat pud, as long as the kid is taught to respect the fact that every action has a consequence, good or bad, and that they will have to face up to those consequences. But this kid never got taught. Now society has to make up for her lack of discipline and punish her son in her stead at our expense.

By the way, good on the judges for saying deprivation of services is the point of prison. Now if only they pulled cable TV out of the prisons, I might believe it.