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USA: Excessive and lethal force? Amnesty International's concerns about deaths and ill-treatment involving police use of tasers - Amnesty International
by skullaria at 5:34 am EST, Nov 25, 2006

Police are always going to side with police. That's why all these investigations don't mean crap to me what they decide.

Psych nurses, doctors, and techs deal with uncooperative, cussing, spitting people every day and don't hurt them.

What always scared me is that the techs with sadistic power trips that I fired for patient abuse almost ALWAYS got their next jobs as cops. Honest.


 
RE: USA: Excessive and lethal force? Amnesty International's concerns about deaths and ill-treatment involving police use of tasers - Amnesty International
by Decius at 5:03 pm EST, Nov 25, 2006

skullaria wrote:
Police are always going to side with police. That's why all these investigations don't mean crap to me what they decide.

Do you know of a guide which explains proceedures for handling unruly people in non-violent ways that might be raised as a reference in these kinds of discussions. Police who defend actions like this seem to be under the impression that violence is the only way that they can handle problems, and the Amnesty document references the idea of non-violent responses but doesn't provide details on how to do it from a professional perspective.


  
RE: USA: Excessive and lethal force? Amnesty International's concerns about deaths and ill-treatment involving police use of tasers - Amnesty International
by skullaria at 12:56 am EST, Nov 27, 2006

Hmmm....good question. They exist in every psychiatric facility. All nurses and most other healthcare workers are taught basic communications skills designed to de-escalate people during altercations. Failing that, in anyone just verbally agressive, there's a series of more intrusive interventions that are applied with the most severe being restraint - physical as well as chemical.

For instance - when I watch the UCLA video - when he's yelling Here's Your Patriot Act - Here's Your Abuse of Power - a simple effective communication technique to talk him down would be something like "Yep, it sucks." Agree with him! Disarm his anger! "You're Angry" WEll, yeah, he is, acknowlege it so he doesn't have to keep proving it to you.

Failing that, a simple assisted transport would have got him out of there. That's when 2 people take someone by each side, holding them around the inside of the upper arm and holding their wrists and walking them slightly ahead of the transporters. At anytime, should there be violence, it is easy to move into a take down position. (You just tap the back of the knees with your own knee and lower them down.) Of course, cops go right for the handcuffs, even with an unarmed person that is not under arrest because he is verbally agitated?

It is just basic communication skills for dealing with hostile or combative and or delusional people. They work with all but the most organically damaged patients.

We were always locked in with some very dangerous folks - often murderers and rapists on our forensic unit. All we had was ourselves to defuse situations like the one that happened at UCLA. 98% of the time, simple verbal skills work with no further escalation. Half the time they didn't work, is because they weren't applied early enough.


   
RE: USA: Excessive and lethal force? Amnesty International's concerns about deaths and ill-treatment involving police use of tasers - Amnesty International
by Decius at 2:11 am EST, Nov 27, 2006

skullaria wrote:
All nurses and most other healthcare workers are taught basic communications skills designed to de-escalate people during altercations.

Thanks for this. This perspective is far more reasonable then anything I've gotten in debates about this case on other sites.


USA: Excessive and lethal force? Amnesty International's concerns about deaths and ill-treatment involving police use of tasers - Amnesty International
by Decius at 3:24 am EST, Nov 22, 2006

The case of 20-year-old Dontae Marks, a bystander who protested when police tried to arrest a friend for being drunk outside a night-club. Police reportedly pointed a taser at Marks’ chest when he refused an order to leave, then tasered him in the back as he walked away shouting an obscenity. Six officers then reportedly grappled with him in a struggle in which Marks was pepper-sprayed and touch-stunned at least ten times while lying face-down on the ground. He was reported to have sustained 13 taser burn marks across his back, neck, buttocks and the rear of his legs. He was later acquitted on charges of affray and has filed a lawsuit. According to the WW report, an internal police review found the taser use to be justified.

The taser is now being used by American police forces where no violence would have used in the past. For many police departments, it has become the defacto way of dealing with people who don't do exactly what they are told. This is far from the most disturbing case cited in the report.


 
 
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