Rorschach wrote: dc0de wrote:
Lastly, your use of the term 'bourgeois' to describe the media is very interesting... I have to make an assumption that your definition of the term is from the Marxist camp, instead of the original meaning of the word. And that being the case, makes your entire statement, and your viewpoint moot. If you're a marxist, you want everyone to be the same, and you just haven't realized that those of us who WORKED OUR ASSES off to get where we are, don't want to subsidize those who are too stupid or lazy to get ahead.
Oh boy. Viewpoints different from yours are "moot"? I better shut up then. Sounds like we disagree on a lot. Unfortunately, it sounds to me like while you were busy "working your ass off" you forgot to get an education consisting of a variety of viewpoints. (Some of which might turn out to be... different than yours.) Oh and speaking of which, here are some more: 1. Illegal immigrants do pay social security and other taxes which they don't collect. I won't argue with you further since you obviously have access to a computer and can look it up. (That study I mentioned in the last one is a good place to start.) 2. Um, where are you reading that undocumented individuals have access to healthcare? I assume that you are referring to emergency rooms. In which case, sorry, but its a human rights as well as public health issue that if someone is severely hurt and/or sick they have to be helped, regardless of their status or insurance-holding situation. (Otherwise, you would untreated disease-carrying individuals walking around infecting all those nice legal health-care holders.) But you're crazy if you think that illegals have access to "health-care" in any comprehensive way. They can't even get shitty Medicaid packages. As for schools, the school systems are fucked because, among other reasons, the school funding systems in most states are a disaster. All children living here are entitled to an education, regardless of their parents' status, ethnicity, or tax-paying abilities. Sorry, but its the law- and its a good one. School funding systems are (mainly) based on property taxes as well as federal funding. Since both do not provide enough for either equitable or adequate education, you see a decline in the quality of education- regardless of the percentage of illegal or legal immigrants in that area. If you think kids in areas where there is little or no illegal immigration are better off, think again. Also keep in mind that people who don't have children pay taxes for YOUR children to go to school and don't bitch about it all the time. Why? Because it is in the public interest to have a well-educated citizenry. The argument that your kids are missing out because other kids get a basic education is a cop-out and misses the point completely. You shoukd be arguing for better funding for ALL children in the U.S. (And I would agree with you on that!) And "state-paid interpreters?" please. Many LEGAL immigrants do not have access to those even when they go to court. The most many schools have is a poorly run ESOL program and a guidance counselor who speaks spanish. That does not begin to cover the problem for LEGAL immigrants from other countries. So what's your problem here, really? You don't like unions, marxists, people who speak other languages, what? I agree this problem is complex and filled with propaganda on both sides. But you owe it to yourself to take a look at both sides of the arguement and realize that deportation/ fences/ a permanent lower class is not the answer to a problem that is (at least partly) the result of a hundred years of U.S. interference in Latin America. I sure don't have the solution, but I know that blind hatred and scapegoating is not it.
Wow... now that's a far, far, far, left viewpoint... and it's valid... just not in my world... I have no problem with speaking other languages, in fact, I speak several. Here are some points that might make you understand mine just a bit better. 1. My mother is a Naturalized US Citizen, having emmigrated to the US after marrying my father. 2. Both of my grandparents emmigrated to the US and Canada respectively, and one set was from Germany, and the other from Russia. Both didn't speak english when they arrived to their respective countries. 3. Both sets of grandparents learned the language, payed their taxes, and became Citizens of their new home country. 4. The government education system in this country is strained to the breaking point. If you feel that it needs more, You pay it... the 30% taxes I'm paying are more than the average US wage earner makes in a year. My children don't have paper, pencils, tape, or other "standard" supplies in school... they have to be supplied by the parents... This is outrageous... but of course, I'm sure you'll tell me that school supplies aren't the job of the schools... (they were when I went...And they are in some states, where legislation WAS passed to solve these problems years ago... such as Utah) 5. lastly, If you come to this country, as a LEGAL immigrant, I have NO problem with it... it's when you come here Illegally, and work Illegally, (under the table, heard of it?), and you don't pay taxes for the services you STEAL from the taxpayers, that I have a problem. We are being leeched by ILLEGAL immigrants, and if you don't think so, then I suggest that YOU pay their bills... RE: How can Illegal Immigration help our Homeless situation? | 
