I'm an outsider. This was my first con.

I can't see how I need to know these points.

I didn't know attendance was declining. Bummer. Not quite sure why a noob like me cares. I got great value and I was able to get info without feeling intimidated.

I was a speaker on media and I worked the desk. I know rock1t comped folks who were willing to work the desk. So, the whole money/cost thing seems like an odd argument...and if attendance is down the it makes sense to charge more so that the costs are more likely to be covered which i know they weren't...just look at the banquet rooms rented to host this event

Outerz0ne's posters and other invasive tactics is not free...in an attention economy the friction created at this event was a toll on the community

I admire the passion, but let's not kid ourselves about the tactics used. I'm a marketer. In Big $ marketing we call these tactics parasitic marketing.

My girlfriend showed-up to see me speak. In the hallway, somebody that I have to assume was from Outerz0ne was talking to her...probably because she wasn't wearing a badge. When she said she was going in to see me speak they said to her, "oh, you're here for that" in a snyde tone...way to make her feel warm

this is just toxick

look, i'm a fan of toxick marketing i contribute on toxick blogspot and I have used toxick marketing techniques...I've also been the target of Toxick techniques like on crapauthors.com and it help me sell copies of Poker Without Cards...so, I can see the value of toxick marketing. however, claiming toxick techniques help build a community is just crap

i give away copies of my books as free downloads...somehow I feel compelled to mention this because I don't want this post to be dismissed as advertainment, which I do a lot of

i'm cruising this site because I fancy myself a memeticist and i saW a sticker at Interz0ne, but frankly I feel apprehensive sharing my candid opinions

StankDawg has presentations that warn not to piss off hackers and here i am possibly pissing off hackers

StankDawg, I admire your efforts. I admire your work. I am a fan...but if the community is a priority, and then reducing fear should be a goal...perhaps fewer alarming comments will well serve this community

Outerz0ne folks...you remind me of a Bill Hicks quote...

“The truth is, the majority of people are very reasonable. They don’t write letters when something offends them on TV. ‘Cause reasonable people know that IT’S JUST FUCKING TELEVISION! And not only that, reasonable people HAVE A LIFE!”

i don't buy that the $50 value deal was the core issue...that's just not reasonable...a poster by the elevator asked if I was getting my $50 of value

what I saw at interz0ne was extraordinary...I admire the passion

but being good for the cumminity in terms of throwing outerz0ne at the same hotel on the grounds of offering a better value is not reasonable and undermines the community

so, let me ask you ALL this...am I safe in your community? can I share candid comments or do I have to worry about frequency23.org suddenly going down or my credit rating suddenly exploding? frequency23.org isn't even mine...i'm just there...i didn'ts start it but it was hard for me to stay away

i kind of view interzone similar...people that might have weird feelings just can't stay away...but being friendly sure seems like a goal of "the community"

i'm trying to turn as many minds as I can on to Bill Hicks...if you are a fan...you'll find 67 minutes of new material you haven't heard before on frq23...from right after the whole Letterman debacle...the first 20 minutes will sound familiar and then it goes off the hook

you see how I used this opportunity to shamelessly plug my crap...maybe I'm just scum

RE: outerz0ne is bad for the hacking community