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The Volokh Conspiracy - More on National Security Letters:
by Decius at 2:35 am EST, Nov 16, 2005

The rate at which individuals shed transactional data simply by living in a networked world seems to increase daily. The composite picture of individual activity that can emerge from such data is often of startling clarity, and will likely sharpen with in the future.  We don’t really have a coherent legal theory to address appropriately the growing privacy interests in this kind of data.
The full-scale judicial supervision accorded electronic surveillance and physical searches is probably overkill, and far too cumbersome for data for which basic investigative access is justified. On the other hand, the Miller view that the "consensual" delivery of this data to third parties strips it of any privacy interest looks untenable when one considers the effect of the information aggregated.

I'm disappointed that Rattle was the only one who rememed the Washington Post's recent coverage of National Security Letters, which is being hailed by people on both the left and the right as important journalism.

This commentary provides more of the debate. The main commentator seems to echo the modern conservative view that the legislature needs to be the final arbiter of civil liberties. Forgive me for being tactless, I think in the general case this view is stupid. The whole point of civil liberties is to limit the power of the democratic government with regard to the rights of individuals. Thats what the court system does. The legislature cannot be its own check and balance. The question here is whether this matter rises to the level of a civil rights issue. I think it does.

There is a healthy debate in the threads...


 
RE: The Volokh Conspiracy - More on National Security Letters:
by janelane at 9:57 am EST, Nov 16, 2005

Decius wrote:

This commentary provides more of the debate. The main commentator seems to echo the modern conservative view that the legislature needs to be the final arbiter of civil liberties. Forgive me for being tactless, I think in the general case this view is stupid. The whole point of civil liberties is to limit the power of the democratic government with regard to the rights of individuals. Thats what the court system does. The legislature cannot be its own check and balance. The question here is whether this matter rises to the level of a civil rights issue. I think it does.

There is a healthy debate in the threads...

I think it is absolutely a question of civil rights. Besides, since when did we expect the legislature to throw whatever provisions it wants into laws and expect the courts to validate their existence? I'm not showing my naivete...I realize that's how it usually works and I'm all for it [hooray Monkey Trial]. However, it's my understanding that that's the reason for two houses of congress. My angle in the debate is that internal checks and balances should be just as relevent to protecting civil liberties as external ones. A failing of the two-party system, perhaps?

My interest in this article surrounds the Miller case and the following statement:

There are basically four kinds of NSLs, each of them delineating an exception to a statute protecting personal information in the hands of a third party. The most commonly used NSL exists in the Electronic Communications Privacy Act and allows access to telephone and electronic communications transactional records. The FBI is granted access to financial records by an NSL established in the Right to Financial Privacy Act, and to credit information by two separate NSLs found in the Fair Credit Reporting Act. All of these authorities in some way derive from the 1976 Supreme Court decision United States v. Miller, which held that there was no constitutionally protected privacy interest in business records entrusted to third parties.

WTF? I think anyone who's received 8 credit card offers in the mail in one day or canceled their Wachovia credit card to avoid being mailed those nasty credit card account checks doesn't feel like they've so much "entrusted" their business records to credit agencies as been hoodwinked into doing so. Do you have a choice, honestly, in whether or not to entrust your records to someone else? What are you supposed to do -- give yourself credit lines and checking accounts? The language of the Miller law is purposely ambiguous to facilitate the NSL's and is, I think, the source of all of this evil. Courts, congress, whatever...bad laws that help create other bad laws are everyone's business.

Goddamn government with their deceptively backwards legislation names. "Financial privacy act...{cough, cough}...that grants access to your financial records with absolutely no method of civil recourse."

-janelane, public policy newborn


The Volokh Conspiracy - More on National Security Letters
by Rattle at 6:57 pm EST, Nov 20, 2005

The general impetus toward information-sharing among government entities and the massive investment in technical solutions may eventually deliver to the government the ability to process data efficiently. Finally, the rate at which individuals shed transactional data simply by living in a networked world seems to increase daily. The composite picture of individual activity that can emerge from such data is often of startling clarity, and will likely sharpen with in the future.

We don’t really have a coherent legal theory to address appropriately the growing privacy interests in this kind of data. The full-scale judicial supervision accorded electronic surveillance and physical searches is probably overkill, and far too cumbersome for data for which basic investigative access is justified. On the other hand, the Miller view that the "consensual" delivery of this data to third parties strips it of any privacy interest looks untenable when one considers the effect of the information aggregated.

There are some good comments on the National Security Letter situation in this post at The Volokh Conspiracy. I've been meaning to comment on this at length, but it's not going to happen any time soon. I have some reading I need to do. I'm not nearly as familiar with the justices' opinions in United States vs. Miller as I would like to be. I've been meaning for awhile now to sit down with a cup of coffee, read, and fully digest that case.


 
 
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