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CNN.com - Parents: Online newsgroup helped daughter commit suicide - Nov 10, 2005
by janelane at 7:37 pm EST, Nov 10, 2005

Newsgroups like ASH work something like an online bulletin board. Anyone with a computer and some basic Internet knowledge can gain free access to thousands of messages about suicide. And they can post their own messages.

An archived section of the site called "The Methods File" contains a list of recipes, recommendations and tips on the best and worst ways to commit suicide.

Suzanne's dad believes one of those messages taught her how to illegally obtain and use cyanide to end her life. And he was horrified to learn that an older ASH member who goes by the alias "River" may have helped her.

"Suzy had me proof-read her notes and we went over all the details of her exit, just to be safe," reads one ASH message from "River."

But "River" disputes his role in Suzanne's death.

"No one in ASH encourages anyone else to commit suicide. ASH is pro-choice," he wrote in an e-mail to CNN.

"Geo" is another ASH member. He was the same age as Suzanne when he joined the group last year and thinks suicide groups like ASH actually keep people from committing suicide.

In fact, "Geo" credits ASH with saving his life.

"If it weren't for it, I think the chances of me having committing suicide would have been greater," he said. "Having a place where you can write those thoughts, get them out of your head. It can be very therapeutic."

But Suzanne's dad thinks otherwise.

"That's not pro-choice," Mike Gonzales said of the site. "That's brainwashing. And they are not being held responsible."

Responsibility? How the hell did he not know that his daughter had been thinking about suicide for two months? What the fuck kind of parenting is that?

We should throw his ass in jail for even suggesting that freedom of speech be so controlled that people can't express anything other than "normal" thoughts and behaviors. That just what the internet needs...to become fucking "Friends" from end to end.

-janelane, angrily


 
RE: CNN.com - Parents: Online newsgroup helped daughter commit suicide - Nov 10, 2005
by Shannon at 9:42 am EST, Nov 11, 2005

janelane wrote:

Newsgroups like ASH work something like an online bulletin board. Anyone with a computer and some basic Internet knowledge can gain free access to thousands of messages about suicide. And they can post their own messages.

An archived section of the site called "The Methods File" contains a list of recipes, recommendations and tips on the best and worst ways to commit suicide.

Suzanne's dad believes one of those messages taught her how to illegally obtain and use cyanide to end her life. And he was horrified to learn that an older ASH member who goes by the alias "River" may have helped her.

"Suzy had me proof-read her notes and we went over all the details of her exit, just to be safe," reads one ASH message from "River."

But "River" disputes his role in Suzanne's death.

"No one in ASH encourages anyone else to commit suicide. ASH is pro-choice," he wrote in an e-mail to CNN.

"Geo" is another ASH member. He was the same age as Suzanne when he joined the group last year and thinks suicide groups like ASH actually keep people from committing suicide.

In fact, "Geo" credits ASH with saving his life.

"If it weren't for it, I think the chances of me having committing suicide would have been greater," he said. "Having a place where you can write those thoughts, get them out of your head. It can be very therapeutic."

But Suzanne's dad thinks otherwise.

"That's not pro-choice," Mike Gonzales said of the site. "That's brainwashing. And they are not being held responsible."

Responsibility? How the hell did he not know that his daughter had been thinking about suicide for two months? What the fuck kind of parenting is that?

We should throw his ass in jail for even suggesting that freedom of speech be so controlled that people can't express anything other than "normal" thoughts and behaviors. That just what the internet needs...to become fucking "Friends" from end to end.

-janelane, angrily

Yah. It was probably the parents depressing the kid anyway. Maybe parents should be outlawed?


 
RE: CNN.com - Parents: Online newsgroup helped daughter commit suicide - Nov 10, 2005
by Decius at 12:39 pm EST, Nov 11, 2005

janelane wrote:
Responsibility? How the hell did he not know that his daughter had been thinking about suicide for two months? What the fuck kind of parenting is that?

Well, its possible. Lashing out in anger at a group like that is a natural reaction to grief. But we shouldn't take it any more seriously then we'd take a personal attack from someone going through that kind of thing. We'd brush it off. The press has a tendency to pick things like this up and make them national issues. They are the ones being irresponsible here. They should know better then to report this kind of thing. Don't be a bullhorn for the irrational things people do.


CNN.com - Parents: Online newsgroup helped daughter commit suicide - Nov 10, 2005
by k at 10:33 pm EST, Nov 10, 2005

"If it weren't for it, I think the chances of me having committing suicide would have been greater," he said. "Having a place where you can write those thoughts, get them out of your head. It can be very therapeutic."

But Suzanne's dad thinks otherwise.

"That's not pro-choice," Mike Gonzales said of the site. "That's brainwashing. And they are not being held responsible."

Responsibility? How the hell did he not know that his daughter had been thinking about suicide for two months? What the fuck kind of parenting is that?

We should throw his ass in jail for even suggesting that freedom of speech be so controlled that people can't express anything other than "normal" thoughts and behaviors. That just what the internet needs...to become fucking "Friends" from end to end.

-janelane, angrily

[ Agreed. I'm not saying there's no line at which speech becomes dangerous, but at the same time, parenting *is* hard. No one denies that. What parents should be doing is working and voting to establish a culture that makes their jobs easier to do right. That is not, emphasize *NOT*, the creation of new laws and new forms of censorship. -k]


 
 
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