bucy wrote:

Bridget Dehl shushed her 21-month-old son, Gavin, then clapped a hand over his mouth to squelch his tiny screams amid the Sunday brunch bustle. When Gavin kept yelping "yeah, yeah, yeah," Ms. Dehl whisked him from his highchair and out the door.

Right past the sign warning the cafe's customers that "children of all ages have to behave and use their indoor voices when coming to A Taste of Heaven," and right into a nasty spat roiling the stroller set in Chicago's changing Andersonville neighborhood.

As far as I'm concerned, there's only one side to this issue. It is completely inconsiderate to take small children that can't be quiet, sit still, etc, into an adult establishment like a coffee shop where they proceed to irritate the piss out of everyone else there.

You obviously don't have children.

flynn23 wrote:

bucy wrote:

Bridget Dehl shushed her 21-month-old son, Gavin, then clapped a hand over his mouth to squelch his tiny screams amid the Sunday brunch bustle. When Gavin kept yelping "yeah, yeah, yeah," Ms. Dehl whisked him from his highchair and out the door.

Right past the sign warning the cafe's customers that "children of all ages have to behave and use their indoor voices when coming to A Taste of Heaven," and right into a nasty spat roiling the stroller set in Chicago's changing Andersonville neighborhood.

As far as I'm concerned, there's only one side to this issue. It is completely inconsiderate to take small children that can't be quiet, sit still, etc, into an adult establishment like a coffee shop where they proceed to irritate the piss out of everyone else there.

You obviously don't have children.

How about a library, then?

bucy wrote:

flynn23 wrote:

bucy wrote:

Bridget Dehl shushed her 21-month-old son, Gavin, then clapped a hand over his mouth to squelch his tiny screams amid the Sunday brunch bustle. When Gavin kept yelping "yeah, yeah, yeah," Ms. Dehl whisked him from his highchair and out the door.

Right past the sign warning the cafe's customers that "children of all ages have to behave and use their indoor voices when coming to A Taste of Heaven," and right into a nasty spat roiling the stroller set in Chicago's changing Andersonville neighborhood.

As far as I'm concerned, there's only one side to this issue. It is completely inconsiderate to take small children that can't be quiet, sit still, etc, into an adult establishment like a coffee shop where they proceed to irritate the piss out of everyone else there.

You obviously don't have children.

How about a library, then?

I can understand the importance of teaching children that there's a time to be quiet and a time when it's okay to be more expressive. It's a shame that most parents are horrible in teaching their children any sort of consideration whatsoever that they spoil it for those of us who attempt to do this. But let's face it, a kid is a kid. And there are times when they're not going to be quiet. When they don't understand decorum or manners or whatever social graces you want to call it.

I think it's good for kids to go to places like libraries, coffee shops, book stores, restaurants, and other social activities. They need to be part of the world and understand it as early as possible. But a 3 year old doesn't give a shit about your mid term that you're studying for when she has a wet diaper, is tired, and hot. At the end of the day, a child is a living being that cannot be controlled or manipulated past a certain point. Just like adults.

flynn23 wrote:

bucy wrote:

Bridget Dehl shushed her 21-month-old son, Gavin, then clapped a hand over his mouth to squelch his tiny screams amid the Sunday brunch bustle. When Gavin kept yelping "yeah, yeah, yeah," Ms. Dehl whisked him from his highchair and out the door.

Right past the sign warning the cafe's customers that "children of all ages have to behave and use their indoor voices when coming to A Taste of Heaven," and right into a nasty spat roiling the stroller set in Chicago's changing Andersonville neighborhood.

As far as I'm concerned, there's only one side to this issue. It is completely inconsiderate to take small children that can't be quiet, sit still, etc, into an adult establishment like a coffee shop where they proceed to irritate the piss out of everyone else there.

You obviously don't have children.

I do. A better comment in the article is

"If you send out positive energy, positive energy returns to you. If you send out energy that says I'm the only one that matters, it's going to be a pretty chaotic world."

The shop owner is dead on in that comment. While controlling a small child is a virtually lost cause, as a parent, part of the responsibility is doing things so that your children are not driving the people around you nuts. If that means there are places you don't take them, then that's what you do.

Mike the Usurper wrote:

flynn23 wrote:

bucy wrote:

Bridget Dehl shushed her 21-month-old son, Gavin, then clapped a hand over his mouth to squelch his tiny screams amid the Sunday brunch bustle. When Gavin kept yelping "yeah, yeah, yeah," Ms. Dehl whisked him from his highchair and out the door.

Right past the sign warning the cafe's customers that "children of all ages have to behave and use their indoor voices when coming to A Taste of Heaven," and right into a nasty spat roiling the stroller set in Chicago's changing Andersonville neighborhood.

As far as I'm concerned, there's only one side to this issue. It is completely inconsiderate to take small children that can't be quiet, sit still, etc, into an adult establishment like a coffee shop where they proceed to irritate the piss out of everyone else there.

You obviously don't have children.

I do. A better comment in the article is

"If you send out positive energy, positive energy returns to you. If you send out energy that says I'm the only one that matters, it's going to be a pretty chaotic world."

The shop owner is dead on in that comment. While controlling a small child is a virtually lost cause, as a parent, part of the responsibility is doing things so that your children are not driving the people around you nuts. If that means there are places you don't take them, then that's what you do.

I would agree with that sentiment. I guess I just bristle when I hear people get uppity about having kids in places like libraries or restaurants. No one likes an unruly child. And they like the parent of an unruly child even less. But to expect the child to be a quiet and doting lump is unreasonable.

flynn23 wrote:

I would agree with that sentiment. I guess I just bristle when I hear people get uppity about having kids in places like libraries or restaurants. No one likes an unruly child. And they like the parent of an unruly child even less. But to expect the child to be a quiet and doting lump is unreasonable.

Isn't that what barbituates were really made for? (NOT serious!)

Mike the Usurper wrote:

flynn23 wrote:

I would agree with that sentiment. I guess I just bristle when I hear people get uppity about having kids in places like libraries or restaurants. No one likes an unruly child. And they like the parent of an unruly child even less. But to expect the child to be a quiet and doting lump is unreasonable.

Isn't that what barbituates were really made for? (NOT serious!)

a different kind of mother's little helper?

flynn23 wrote:

Mike the Usurper wrote:

flynn23 wrote:

I would agree with that sentiment. I guess I just bristle when I hear people get uppity about having kids in places like libraries or restaurants. No one likes an unruly child. And they like the parent of an unruly child even less. But to expect the child to be a quiet and doting lump is unreasonable.

Isn't that what barbituates were really made for? (NOT serious!)

a different kind of mother's little helper?

Actually I think that's the mother's little helper that the Stones were singing about. :)

flynn23 wrote:

bucy wrote:

Bridget Dehl shushed her 21-month-old son, Gavin, then clapped a hand over his mouth to squelch his tiny screams amid the Sunday brunch bustle. When Gavin kept yelping "yeah, yeah, yeah," Ms. Dehl whisked him from his highchair and out the door.

Right past the sign warning the cafe's customers that "children of all ages have to behave and use their indoor voices when coming to A Taste of Heaven," and right into a nasty spat roiling the stroller set in Chicago's changing Andersonville neighborhood.

As far as I'm concerned, there's only one side to this issue. It is completely inconsiderate to take small children that can't be quiet, sit still, etc, into an adult establishment like a coffee shop where they proceed to irritate the piss out of everyone else there.

You obviously don't have children.

Your children should be your problem.
If you bring a dog into the restaurant and it shits on the floor, you are an idiot.
If you bring your child, then its probably hereditary.