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NOLA SOL
by Decius at 2:39 pm EDT, Sep 13, 2005

Dagmar wrote:

NEW ORLEANS is battered and submerged today. But it will rise again because it is — and always has been — the single most important cog in the nation's economy.

I've seen some pretty irrational things said to justify expense reports for seasonal junkets to conferences, but this one really takes the cake.

The last time I checked, choked highways and swamp don't exactly make for a manufacturing or shipping paradise. Mississippi can pick up the slack on this just fine.

I'm going to have to go with Dagmar on this one. While I enjoyed reading George Friedman's historical perspective on the importance of New Orleans, the article I'm linking here provides a more modern perspective.

Our cities may have grown up around shipping and transportation, but this isn't the 1700s anymore. Modern cities are successful due to an interplay between culture, captial, and eductional institutions, not transportation routes.

New Orleans has two of those, but you need all three to make it work, and so the city has been in decline for quite some time, and this event is likely to hasten that decline. All of those poor people in the city, and the corrupt institutions there, are all symptoms of a community which exists in a place after the economic pillars that made it healthy have eroded away. (See Detriot...)

The fact that NOLA is fun and interesting doesn't make it economically viable. Its not a place that ends up on the list of places you'd be likely to move. There are people who'd like to live there, but they are people like Anne Rice and Trent Reznor who don't need to live in close proximity to a normal industry.

The tourist industry will return, but the resulting city is apt to look more like Savanna then a top U.S. metro area. It might have better prospects in the extreme long term (decades) but its too early to tell.


 
On the Continuing Importance of the Shipping and Transportation Industries
by noteworthy at 10:00 pm EDT, Sep 13, 2005

Decius wrote:
Our cities may have grown up around shipping and transportation, but this isn't the 1700s anymore. Modern cities are successful due to an interplay between culture, capital, and educational institutions, not transportation routes.

I don't disagree with your larger point about New Orleans, but you go further than is necessary to make your case.

If you think shipping isn't critically important to the economic health of Los Angeles, you need to spend more time in Los Angeles. The transportation business brings more money into the city than the entertainment business does.

Take a look at this briefing:

Los Angeles is by far the most important city in the US for combined import and export activity. It alone is responsible for over 20 percent of all US container traffic and has seen that share expand steadily in recent years. The local economic impact of port activity in Los Angeles is also considerable. The Port of Los Angeles employs 259,000 people in Southern California and generates nearly $27 billion in industry sales annually. Long Beach is second on the list, which means that the combined LA/Long Beach area is responsible for an astonishing one-third of all container traffic in the nation.

There's a lot more to the report; it's worth a look. Keep in mind that the 259k jobs and the $27B is just for the Port of LA. The Long Beach port has numbers that approach those for LA. See also: liner shipping facts and figures.

As one point of comparison, BLS reports that "In 2002, there were about 360,000 wage and salary jobs in the motion picture and video industries. Most of the workers were in motion picture and video production." At the most, half of those jobs are in the Los Angeles area. As another data point, one source says that "In 2001, worldwide gross revenues generated by motion pictures in all territories and media (including music and ancillaries) amounted to over $40 billion." I don't know how reliable that number is, but it's a rough indicator.


 
 
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