ibenez wrote:

"One of the dangers of random searches is that they can invite the possibility of racial, ethnic or religious profiling," NYCLU Executive Director Donna Lieberman said.

Ok, so then there's a choice to make.

(1) Possibly offend people.
(2) Or get blown up and die.

I choose what's behind door number 1.

Unfortunately, it is not secure, so you really pick both 1 & 2. Random searches have a miniscule chance of diverting or even discouraging a bombing. Airports, despite their high security, are still not really secure. These stricter measures have not stopped bombers to get aboard planes, less strict methods certainly won't stop them from getting in the subway either. If you have the will to blow something up, chances are there is a plan to accomplish this. Fortunately, the number who have the will to do these things are in short supply and they usually burn out after their initial use.

terratogen wrote:
These stricter measures have not stopped bombers to get aboard planes, less strict methods certainly won't stop them from getting in the subway either.

Are you sure? Airplanes don't get blown up that often.

Decius wrote:

terratogen wrote:
These stricter measures have not stopped bombers to get aboard planes, less strict methods certainly won't stop them from getting in the subway either.

Are you sure? Airplanes don't get blown up that often.

Bombs also aren't really found by airport security. Every bomb that has blown up a plane, has gotten past them. I've never heard of a bomb being detected before it was used at an airport.

Bombs also aren't really found by airport security. Every bomb that has blown up a plane, has gotten past them. I've never heard of a bomb being detected before it was used at an airport.

Such things aren't necessarily widely reported. A successful bombing gets massive coverage. Thats the thing about security. Most people only notice when you loose. I'm sure there is data out their that justifies the investment. It would be interesting to see it. Wikipedia is not too helpful here...

Decius wrote:

Bombs also aren't really found by airport security. Every bomb that has blown up a plane, has gotten past them. I've never heard of a bomb being detected before it was used at an airport.

Such things aren't necessarily widely reported. A successful bombing gets massive coverage. Thats the thing about security. Most people only notice when you loose. I'm sure there is data out their that justifies the investment. It would be interesting to see it. Wikipedia is not too helpful here...

I've looked around a little, and I wasn't able to find anything. If bombs were found, a controlled explosion is one way used to get rid of them, and I cant find instances of this happening at airports either. Statistics on what is found seem to be hard to locate. I've heard of various weapons being found, but usually I hear of drugs being found. Based on the information I can find, no one is really trying to blow up planes, and the ones who have did so successfully.

I think the key may be finding out about these things in the planning phase. There are few enough bombers running around, locating who they are before they bomb something by use of profiling might be easier than sifting out the needle at the gate.

A large majority of security measures I've seen at transportation facilities seem to be geared toward making people feel secure rather than providing real security.

ibenez wrote:

"One of the dangers of random searches is that they can invite the possibility of racial, ethnic or religious profiling," NYCLU Executive Director Donna Lieberman said.

Ok, so then there's a choice to make.

(1) Possibly offend people.
(2) Or get blown up and die.

I choose what's behind door number 1.

Those who desire safety and liberty deserve neither. I'll risk number two. I'll die without big brother watching me, thank you.

Vile wrote:

ibenez wrote:

"One of the dangers of random searches is that they can invite the possibility of racial, ethnic or religious profiling," NYCLU Executive Director Donna Lieberman said.

Ok, so then there's a choice to make.

(1) Possibly offend people.
(2) Or get blown up and die.

I choose what's behind door number 1.

Those who desire safety and liberty deserve neither. I'll risk number two. I'll die without big brother watching me, thank you.

In that case let me say, I also would prefer for you to be killed. Then I'll go drink some beer with BIG BROTHER and laugh my ass off at your death.

ibenez wrote:

Vile wrote:

ibenez wrote:

"One of the dangers of random searches is that they can invite the possibility of racial, ethnic or religious profiling," NYCLU Executive Director Donna Lieberman said.

Ok, so then there's a choice to make.

(1) Possibly offend people.
(2) Or get blown up and die.

I choose what's behind door number 1.

Those who desire safety and liberty deserve neither. I'll risk number two. I'll die without big brother watching me, thank you.

In that case let me say, I also would prefer for you to be killed. Then I'll go drink some beer with BIG BROTHER and laugh my ass off at your death.

Is that a threat? I showed it to my lawyer and he seems to think so. Welcome to the litigious society, buddy.

Vile wrote:

ibenez wrote:

Vile wrote:

ibenez wrote:

"One of the dangers of random searches is that they can invite the possibility of racial, ethnic or religious profiling," NYCLU Executive Director Donna Lieberman said.

Ok, so then there's a choice to make.

(1) Possibly offend people.
(2) Or get blown up and die.

I choose what's behind door number 1.

Those who desire safety and liberty deserve neither. I'll risk number two. I'll die without big brother watching me, thank you.

In that case let me say, I also would prefer for you to be killed. Then I'll go drink some beer with BIG BROTHER and laugh my ass off at your death.

Is that a threat? I showed it to my lawyer and he seems to think so. Welcome to the litigious society, buddy.

Yeah sure, it's a threat. Libby... And show that to your lawyer too. :) haahahah