Decius wrote:
] cyantist wrote:
] ] First off, why do people's reccommendations show up as
] ] replies? They shouldn't show up unless people reply!
]
] I'm not sure what you mean. They don't show up as replies. If
] you mean, "why do they show up in the thread," thats because
] the point of the threads is to see what other people are
] saying about the url, so you want everything that everyone has
] written about the URL in the thread for that url. If you mean,
] "why do ']' characters appear recommendations," thats because
] that is the new quoting system. When you recommend, you are
] replying to the original url, and you quote text from it as
] you would in any reply. I'm not sure I'm satisfied with using
] ']' symbols, but it will have to do for now.
]
] ] Secondly... Memestreams should be listed on this site! :)
]
] Randy told them to list it. You should too. :)

I think it was klee@cs.washington.edu. Not 100% though. I deduced the information. The e-mail did not bounce.

Reknamorken wrote:
] Decius wrote:
] ] cyantist wrote:
] ] ] First off, why do people's reccommendations show up as
] ] ] replies? They shouldn't show up unless people reply!
] ]
] ] I'm not sure what you mean. They don't show up as replies.
] If
] ] you mean, "why do they show up in the thread," thats because
]
] ] the point of the threads is to see what other people are
] ] saying about the url, so you want everything that everyone
] has
] ] written about the URL in the thread for that url. If you
] mean,
] ] "why do ']' characters appear recommendations," thats
] because
] ] that is the new quoting system. When you recommend, you are
] ] replying to the original url, and you quote text from it as
] ] you would in any reply. I'm not sure I'm satisfied with
] using
] ] ']' symbols, but it will have to do for now.
] ]
] ] ] Secondly... Memestreams should be listed on this site! :)
] ]
] ] Randy told them to list it. You should too. :)
]
] I think it was klee@cs.washington.edu. Not 100% though. I
] deduced the information. The e-mail did not bounce.

I'm talking about this: http://techlist.org/slashdot.jpg. It's annoying, because I have to scroll through a whole page of those before I get to a comment. Why would I want to look at an entire page of links to the exact same thing, with no comments? Am I missing something? I often am!

cyantist wrote:
] Reknamorken wrote:
] ] Decius wrote:
] ] ] cyantist wrote:
] ] ] ] First off, why do people's reccommendations show up as
] ] ] ] replies? They shouldn't show up unless people reply!
] ] ]
] ] ] I'm not sure what you mean. They don't show up as replies.
]
] ] If
] ] ] you mean, "why do they show up in the thread," thats
] because
] ]
] ] ] the point of the threads is to see what other people are
] ] ] saying about the url, so you want everything that everyone
]
] ] has
] ] ] written about the URL in the thread for that url. If you
] ] mean,
] ] ] "why do ']' characters appear recommendations," thats
] ] because
] ] ] that is the new quoting system. When you recommend, you
] are
] ] ] replying to the original url, and you quote text from it
] as
] ] ] you would in any reply. I'm not sure I'm satisfied with
] ] using
] ] ] ']' symbols, but it will have to do for now.
] ] ]
] ] ] ] Secondly... Memestreams should be listed on this site!
] :)
] ] ]
] ] ] Randy told them to list it. You should too. :)
] ]
] ] I think it was klee@cs.washington.edu. Not 100% though. I
] ] deduced the information. The e-mail did not bounce.
]
] I'm talking about this: http://techlist.org/slashdot.jpg.
] It's annoying, because I have to scroll through a whole page
] of those before I get to a comment. Why would I want to look
] at an entire page of links to the exact same thing, with no
] comments? Am I missing something? I often am!

What she said. The threaded view needs to be more useful...

Decius wrote:
] ] I'm talking about this: http://techlist.org/slashdot.jpg.
] ] It's annoying, because I have to scroll through a whole page
]
] ] of those before I get to a comment. Why would I want to
] look
] ] at an entire page of links to the exact same thing, with no
] ] comments? Am I missing something? I often am!
]
] What you and Randy are both missing is that Memestreams is not
] a finished product.
]
] 1. There is no way for me to tell the difference between when
] someone simply links to a page and when someone provides a
] link along with commentary. The purpose of the threaded view
] is to allow you to find out what people are thinking about a
] particular link. I want all that information in one place, so
] that in the future when you are out in the internet and you
] click on the discussion bookmarklet you get everything that
] people are saying about a URL.
]
] 2. There are going to be hundreds of posts on each URL at some
] point in the future. It should be obvious that the current
] method of viewing the threads is temporary. There is a
] reputation system in MemeStreams for a reason. You will
] ultimately be able to sort the discussions for highly rated
] posts and posters just as you can on slashdot/kuro5hin, but
] based on a multi-higharchical reputation system instead of a
] mono-higharchical moderation oligarchy.
]
] 3. A lot of people are going to have very similar things to
] say about a url. There is no way that I can eliminate similar
] posts. The technology to do that properly simply does not
] exist, anywhere. The reputation system will allow you to
] filter threads for posts made by your highest ranked posters,
] the highest ranked posts in the thread, a hybrid view of
] those two, and for posts made after a certain timeframe. That
] should be more then effective at cutting the threads down to
] size.
]
] This is not in place right now because:
]
] 1. Writing code takes time.
] 2. I JUST posted the threading code a week ago. In most places
] this kind of capability isn't needed yet.
] 3. I wanted to get the discussion capability out before the
] presentation at phreaknic. I didn't want to hold it off for a
] month because I needed to work on this filtering capability.
]
] It will not be in place until I am able to get some of the
] database scalability fixed up.
]
] Yesterday Randy called me up all annoyed because he didn't
] think the discussion bookmarklet was in an "intuitive
] location." Look, I'm not stupid. I have previously stated that
] I cut a lot of corners to get the discussion code out before
] Phreaknic. There will be minor details that are not right.
] This isn't because I don't realise that they need to be
] different. This is because in the interest of time some things
] have been given a higher priority then other things.

It's a great start of a great idea. Keep up the good work.

Decius wrote:
] ] I'm talking about this: http://techlist.org/slashdot.jpg.
] ] It's annoying, because I have to scroll through a whole page
]
] ] of those before I get to a comment. Why would I want to
] look
] ] at an entire page of links to the exact same thing, with no
] ] comments? Am I missing something? I often am!
]
] What you and Randy are both missing is that Memestreams is not
] a finished product.
]
] 1. There is no way for me to tell the difference between when
] someone simply links to a page and when someone provides a
] link along with commentary. The purpose of the threaded view
] is to allow you to find out what people are thinking about a
] particular link. I want all that information in one place, so
] that in the future when you are out in the internet and you
] click on the discussion bookmarklet you get everything that
] people are saying about a URL.
]
] 2. There are going to be hundreds of posts on each URL at some
] point in the future. It should be obvious that the current
] method of viewing the threads is temporary. There is a
] reputation system in MemeStreams for a reason. You will
] ultimately be able to sort the discussions for highly rated
] posts and posters just as you can on slashdot/kuro5hin, but
] based on a multi-higharchical reputation system instead of a
] mono-higharchical moderation oligarchy.
]
] 3. A lot of people are going to have very similar things to
] say about a url. There is no way that I can eliminate similar
] posts. The technology to do that properly simply does not
] exist, anywhere. The reputation system will allow you to
] filter threads for posts made by your highest ranked posters,
] the highest ranked posts in the thread, a hybrid view of
] those two, and for posts made after a certain timeframe. That
] should be more then effective at cutting the threads down to
] size.
]
] This is not in place right now because:
]
] 1. Writing code takes time.
] 2. I JUST posted the threading code a week ago. In most places
] this kind of capability isn't needed yet.
] 3. I wanted to get the discussion capability out before the
] presentation at phreaknic. I didn't want to hold it off for a
] month because I needed to work on this filtering capability.
]
] It will not be in place until I am able to get some of the
] database scalability fixed up.
]
] Yesterday Randy called me up all annoyed because he didn't
] think the discussion bookmarklet was in an "intuitive
] location." Look, I'm not stupid. I have previously stated that
] I cut a lot of corners to get the discussion code out before
] Phreaknic. There will be minor details that are not right.
] This isn't because I don't realise that they need to be
] different. This is because in the interest of time some things
] have been given a higher priority then other things.

I hardly think that any of us accused you of being stupid. CHILLAX BABY!!! You're stressing out way too much! Memestreams rules!

Write a FAQ and stick it up on the site somewhere, and that way you can just point people to the url if they have similar questions.

Hug.

Decius wrote:
] ] I'm talking about this: http://techlist.org/slashdot.jpg.
] ] It's annoying, because I have to scroll through a whole page
]
] ] of those before I get to a comment. Why would I want to
] look
] ] at an entire page of links to the exact same thing, with no
] ] comments? Am I missing something? I often am!
]
] What you and Randy are both missing is that Memestreams is not
] a finished product.
]
] 1. There is no way for me to tell the difference between when
] someone simply links to a page and when someone provides a
] link along with commentary. The purpose of the threaded view
] is to allow you to find out what people are thinking about a
] particular link. I want all that information in one place, so
] that in the future when you are out in the internet and you
] click on the discussion bookmarklet you get everything that
] people are saying about a URL.
]
] 2. There are going to be hundreds of posts on each URL at some
] point in the future. It should be obvious that the current
] method of viewing the threads is temporary. There is a
] reputation system in MemeStreams for a reason. You will
] ultimately be able to sort the discussions for highly rated
] posts and posters just as you can on slashdot/kuro5hin, but
] based on a multi-higharchical reputation system instead of a
] mono-higharchical moderation oligarchy.
]
] 3. A lot of people are going to have very similar things to
] say about a url. There is no way that I can eliminate similar
] posts. The technology to do that properly simply does not
] exist, anywhere. The reputation system will allow you to
] filter threads for posts made by your highest ranked posters,
] the highest ranked posts in the thread, a hybrid view of
] those two, and for posts made after a certain timeframe. That
] should be more then effective at cutting the threads down to
] size.
]
] This is not in place right now because:
]
] 1. Writing code takes time.
] 2. I JUST posted the threading code a week ago. In most places
] this kind of capability isn't needed yet.
] 3. I wanted to get the discussion capability out before the
] presentation at phreaknic. I didn't want to hold it off for a
] month because I needed to work on this filtering capability.
]
] It will not be in place until I am able to get some of the
] database scalability fixed up.
]
] Yesterday Randy called me up all annoyed because he didn't
] think the discussion bookmarklet was in an "intuitive
] location." Look, I'm not stupid. I have previously stated that
] I cut a lot of corners to get the discussion code out before
] Phreaknic. There will be minor details that are not right.
] This isn't because I don't realise that they need to be
] different. This is because in the interest of time some things
] have been given a higher priority then other things.

Do you really want all of this in your blog page?