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Freedom to Tinker: Why Use Remotely-Readable Passports?
by Acidus at 10:04 am EDT, Apr 15, 2005

] Regarding bags that block radio signals; we (me,
] colleague who shall remain nameless) tested this with our
] building access cards and our cell phones. An anti-static
] bag for computer chips was demonstrated to NOT block the
] signals. However, an (aluminized) anti-moisture bag for
] corn chips (specifically, Fritos) successfully
] deactivated both my cell phone (GSM) and my access card,
] even pressed directly against the reader.
]
] It is a small help to know that effective RF shielding is
] available in many snack vending machines, and that the
] shield itself is a mundane enough item that it will not
] attract attention.

Pringle's cans and Fritos bags!

Aluminum-lined junk food packaging: It giveth the signal, and it taketh it away.


 
RE: Freedom to Tinker: Why Use Remotely-Readable Passports?
by k at 12:07 pm EDT, Apr 15, 2005

Acidus wrote:
] Pringle's cans and Fritos bags!
]
] Aluminum-lined junk food packaging: It giveth the signal, and
] it taketh it away.

[ Surely the market for RF sheilded passport sleeves is already gearing up.

Another poster left the following :

"The real concern is when data is read ligitimately from a reader (e.g. at passport control), there will be fortuitious far field emanations that can be detected at several hundred metres."

I believe I've had this discussion before and, while I haven't done the math myself, it seems that more than one person has discovered this issue. How difficult it is to glean meaningful data from those far field signals remains a question. Surely I'm less worried about detection at a relatively secure location like an airport, but actual copying of personal data is a concern.

I'd be interested in a cost comparison with technologies like smart card, ibutton, lasercard, etc. I know those RFID's are pretty damn cheap, but I think I'd happily pay an extra dollar for my passport to know that it wasn't broadcast capable. -k]


Freedom to Tinker: Why Use Remotely-Readable Passports?
by Decius at 7:19 pm EDT, Apr 14, 2005

] After the panel, I discussed this issue with Kenn Cukier
] of The Economist, who has followed the development of
] this technology for a while and has a good perspective on
] how we reached the current state. It seems that the
] decision to use contactless technology was made without
] fully understanding its consequences, relying on
] technical assurances from people who had products to
] sell. Now that the problems with that decision have
] become obvious, it's late in the process and would be
] expensive and embarrassing to back out. In short, this
] looks like another flawed technology procurement program.


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