Mike the Usurper wrote:
] In the words of Hannover Fist, "Aw, gimmie a break!" Want a
] list of easy ways to kill everyone on an airplane? Here's a
] couple. 1) Mix ammonia and bleach. In an enclosed area you
] have a good chance to simply overcome everyone with the fumes
] before they can land the damn thing. This works best in first
] class. 2) Store your explosives properly. Druggies have
] been getting drugs through airports in this way for years. 3)
] Properly packaged chemical agent. What happens when you fill
] a mini hairspray container with something nasty? You don't
] even need something ugly like Sarin, plain old ether would
] work just fine.
]
] Richard Reid was a moron who might have managed to blow off
] his foot, but the potential for actual damage to the plane was
] minimal. Maybe if he'd flushed his shoes down the toilet
] after lighting them he might have been able to do something,
] but let's get real folks. Everything we've done to "improve
] air travel security" has made a plane safer, maybe, but has
] without question made getting to the plane much more
] dangerous.

I don't think the emphasis should be on keeping planes safe... The real danger is to keep the world safe from planes. A plane used as a missile is ultimately what we are trying to avoid. The real easy way is to have the pilots enter the cockpit from another entrance and keep the cockpit isolated from the rest of the plane. Armed guards might not be such a bad idea either. Aside from that, dying on a plane is only a negligible risk and placebo cures only aid to ease the of mind of the cargos of sheep the planes carry.

terratogen wrote:
] Mike the Usurper wrote:
] ] In the words of Hannover Fist, "Aw, gimmie a break!" Want a
]
] ] list of easy ways to kill everyone on an airplane? Here's a
]
] ] couple. 1) Mix ammonia and bleach. In an enclosed area
] you
] ] have a good chance to simply overcome everyone with the
] fumes
] ] before they can land the damn thing. This works best in
] first
] ] class. 2) Store your explosives properly. Druggies have
] ] been getting drugs through airports in this way for years.
] 3)
] ] Properly packaged chemical agent. What happens when you
] fill
] ] a mini hairspray container with something nasty? You don't
] ] even need something ugly like Sarin, plain old ether would
] ] work just fine.
] ]
] ] Richard Reid was a moron who might have managed to blow off
] ] his foot, but the potential for actual damage to the plane
] was
] ] minimal. Maybe if he'd flushed his shoes down the toilet
] ] after lighting them he might have been able to do something,
]
] ] but let's get real folks. Everything we've done to "improve
]
] ] air travel security" has made a plane safer, maybe, but has
] ] without question made getting to the plane much more
] ] dangerous.
]
] I don't think the emphasis should be on keeping planes safe...
] The real danger is to keep the world safe from planes. A
] plane used as a missile is ultimately what we are trying to
] avoid. The real easy way is to have the pilots enter the
] cockpit from another entrance and keep the cockpit isolated
] from the rest of the plane. Armed guards might not be such a
] bad idea either. Aside from that, dying on a plane is only a
] negligible risk and placebo cures only aid to ease the of mind
] of the cargos of sheep the planes carry.

I understand now! The goal isn't to protect the people on the planes, they've been lined up like ducks at a shooting gallery, the idea is to protect the money that the airlines have spent on the planes. because as we all know, anyone trying to hijack a plane at this point would be bodily ripped limb from limb.

Mike the Usurper wrote:
] I understand now! The goal isn't to protect the people on the
] planes, they've been lined up like ducks at a shooting
] gallery, the idea is to protect the money that the airlines
] have spent on the planes. because as we all know, anyone
] trying to hijack a plane at this point would be bodily ripped
] limb from limb.

More buildings, skyscrapers, and crowded places. That's the real danger. Otherwise a plane isn't all so different than a train or subway (in fact, a train can potentially be significantly more dangerous in some ways). There is no "Safe" railroad and every attempt to make one so far has been useless. Likewise with airporrt security... Which has irritated a ton of average folk and bloggers but has yet (as far as I know) catch one single terrorist before they did what they came for. The risk of a terrorist on your plane even in the pre 9-11 days was next to nothing. Even with all these extra measures I'ts not going to significantly improve a rating of next to nothing. The only logical option is to find ways to minimize damages as much as possible, and with a plane the largest potential is outside the vehicle.

So yeah, fuck the people riding. Airport security today is lame. Not only because it doesn't DO anything, but also because its unimaginative.

How about this for safety --
Give EVERYONE on the plane a package consisting of a broad sword, a cross bow, a bundle of poison darts, and some light body armor as they board the plane. Fly safe and free in a mexican standoff. If there is ever a problem, at least it will be fucking entertaining. For those who plan on bringing bombs... there's no real 100% effective method to stop them... Why not make it sporting? Have a guarded self destruct button in the middle of the air plane...If one is able to fight their way to the button, they win.