specialK wrote:
] Now, here's something that really gets me heated. We have a
] brilliant 13 year old girl who hid her pregnancy from her
] parents for 9 months, who then threw the baby out her bedroom
] window after it was born because she was "scared." Please, you
] are kidding me. Put her in jail with Andrea Yates, and round
] up her ignorant 15 year old boyfriend, and the parents too. Do
] us a favor and rot in prison. There's no excuse for this.

I can think of an excuse. I hear that the girl fucked a bird and figured the hybrid baby may be able to fly. If they arrest the father, I don't think he'll have much of an objection to spending some time in a cage. That's where the thirteen year old has been keeping him for years. Poor girl hadda learn the hard way that babies can't fly. Anyway, the liberals on memestreams would probably tell you that she didn't kill the baby, the ground did. Maybe they should legislate the ground. Force it to be softer. And anyway, if she had only gone to a doctor and had a partial birth abortion one day earlier, she would be hailed as a female role model exercising control of her reproductive rights. Since she waited a few minutes after the fucker popped out, she's a murderer. Odd.

k wrote:
] Now, here's something that really gets me heated. We have a
] brilliant 13 year old girl who hid her pregnancy from her
] parents for 9 months, who then threw the baby out her bedroom
] window after it was born because she was "scared." Please, you
] are kidding me. Put her in jail with Andrea Yates, and round
] up her ignorant 15 year old boyfriend, and the parents too. Do
] us a favor and rot in prison. There's no excuse for this.
]
] [ Certainly, there's no excuse for killing an innocent baby,
] but this sounds more like the outgrowth of a more systemic
] problem, and one which I'm not convinced prison can solve.
] Prisoners are a huge drag on our society, the equivalent of
] treating the symptoms of a disease instead of it's causes.
] There's been a lot of motion lately in the medical community
] towards preventitive medecine, because it's cheaper to prevent
] a disease than to cure it, not to mention, more pleasant for
] everyone involved. I think the same sort of thinking is
] sorely lacking from discussions of social diseases.
]
] Anyway, it's almost certain that the girl, at least, will be
] in jail for a while, and probably the boyfriend too.
] Negligence of that magnitude is undoubtedly deserving of
] punishment. I just think those who call for strong
] punishments ought to think extra hard about finding ways to
] minimize the number of people who recieve them. In some cases,
] prison may serve that purpose, but I don't think that's true
] in all cases. -k]

While I can certainly see your point, I would beg to differ. I think people are in general are in a behavioral decline, and all sorts of crazy things are blamed on social disease and lack of understanding. However, in this case, it would have been impossible to help her because she never reached out to anyone. Last time I checked, social workers and other responsible parties that could have helped her aren't mind readers, and potential "victims" of social diseases need to know that actions like these--when there are a ton of available options--just isn't acceptable. How much ignorance is too much, and what do you do if people don't listen?

specialK wrote:
] While I can certainly see your point, I would beg to differ. I
] think people are in general are in a behavioral decline, and
] all sorts of crazy things are blamed on social disease and
] lack of understanding. However, in this case, it would have
] been impossible to help her because she never reached out to
] anyone. Last time I checked, social workers and other
] responsible parties that could have helped her aren't mind
] readers, and potential "victims" of social diseases need to
] know that actions like these--when there are a ton of
] available options--just isn't acceptable. How much ignorance
] is too much, and what do you do if people don't listen?

[ Of course, you're entitled to that opinion, though I'd note that every generation seems to think that morality and virtue are in decline. You may well be right, of course, but it's worth analysing just where that feeling comes from.

I admit that in this case, she didn't seek help so she couldn't recieve any that was available. But the bigger issues I was talking about were eliminating poverty, providing quality education and offering opportunity. I'm confident that cases like this decline in such an environment. Those are the bigger issues.

I'm not saying she gets a pass... even a 13 year old should value life more highly than that, but calling for lots of jail time for lots of people doesn't necessarily serve the goal of correcting the problem. Still, as I said, she goes to jail, and so does her boyfriend, that's correct. -k]