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Academia, Stuck To the Left
by Lost at 4:56 am EST, Nov 29, 2004

] But George Lakoff, a linguistics professor at Berkeley,
] denies that academic institutions are biased against
] conservatives. The disparity in hiring, he explains,
] occurs because conservatives are not as interested as
] liberals in academic careers. Why does he think liberals
] are like that? "Unlike conservatives, they believe in
] working for the public good and social justice." That
] clears that up.

I think it does. You can't get any republican street cred without doing something tremendously lucrative and capitalist.

] Many campuses are intellectual versions of one-party nations --
] except such nations usually have the merit, such as it is, of candor
] about their ideological monopolies. In contrast, American campuses
] have more insistently proclaimed their commitment to diversity as
] they have become more intellectually monochrome.

] They do indeed cultivate diversity -- in race, skin color,
] ethnicity, sexual preference. In everything but thought.

Thats because it is not possible for people of a variety of races, skin colors, ethnicities and sexual preference to converse in an open manner unless the spirit of liberalism dominates. Conservative thought is not tolerant of such a varied group of people. In fact, the reason that colleges have been moving farther to the left, is that they have become so diverse. Exposure to diversity kills conservatism by dispelling the prejudices, stereotypes and myths that contemporary conservatism is founded on.


 
RE: Academia, Stuck To the Left
by Decius at 10:58 am EST, Nov 29, 2004

Jello wrote:
] I think it does. You can't get any republican street cred
] without doing something tremendously lucrative and capitalist.

I tend to agree. Conservatives just aren't interested in a career in history or philosophy. Conservatives prefer to teach engineering and economics.

What is going on in this article is more sinister, and its related to the liberal media discussion. The statistic quoted here says humanities and social sciences, but the author talks about academia in general. To the extent that conservatives can color academia in general as "liberal" they can ignore it. No one really cares whether the government listens to or ignores humanities professors. Law professors, Biologists, Economists, and Ecologists, however, frequently say things that conservatives don't like, and they are a bit harder to ignore. Republicans would prefer to brush these people off by claiming "Oh, all academics are biased and so we can safely ignore them when they reach a conclusion we don't like." This creates this insane litmus that says that if 50% of a given group doesn't agree with any given conclusion I come to, that group is liberally biased. Sometimes most people disagree with you because you're just flat wrong. This is a preemptive straw man debate that is occurring on a large scale. Its an attempt to discredit every source of knowledge in our society unless they step in line with these people's agenda.

] Thats because it is not possible for people of a variety of
] races, skin colors, ethnicities and sexual preference to
] converse in an open manner unless the spirit of liberalism
] dominates. Conservative thought is not tolerant of such a
] varied group of people.

I think its more complex then that. Our current administration is very ethnically diverse. While southern racists do vote Republican, most Republicans are not racist.


 
RE: Academia, Stuck To the Left
by k at 11:13 am EST, Nov 29, 2004

Jello wrote:
] Thats because it is not possible for people of a variety of
] races, skin colors, ethnicities and sexual preference to
] converse in an open manner unless the spirit of liberalism
] dominates. Conservative thought is not tolerant of such a
] varied group of people. In fact, the reason that colleges
] have been moving farther to the left, is that they have become
] so diverse. Exposure to diversity kills conservatism by
] dispelling the prejudices, stereotypes and myths that
] contemporary conservatism is founded on.

[ Wasn't it just the other day i read a quote on memestreams that essentially defined liberalism as the desire to think about issues, confront alternatives, and reason out a position, completely independent of political party or ideology? In this context, what you say makes a lot of sense... liberalism isn't leftist, it's the practice of thinking critically. So of course campuses are liberal... it's their nature. The problem is this conflation of "liberal" with "radical leftist" (i.e. socialism.) -k]


  
RE: Academia, Stuck To the Left
by Lost at 12:12 pm EST, Nov 29, 2004

k wrote:
] Jello wrote:
] ] Thats because it is not possible for people of a variety of
] ] races, skin colors, ethnicities and sexual preference to
] ] converse in an open manner unless the spirit of liberalism
] ] dominates. Conservative thought is not tolerant of such a
] ] varied group of people. In fact, the reason that colleges
] ] have been moving farther to the left, is that they have
] become
] ] so diverse. Exposure to diversity kills conservatism by
] ] dispelling the prejudices, stereotypes and myths that
] ] contemporary conservatism is founded on.
]
] [ Wasn't it just the other day i read a quote on memestreams
] that essentially defined liberalism as the desire to think
] about issues, confront alternatives, and reason out a
] position, completely independent of political party or
] ideology? In this context, what you say makes a lot of
] sense... liberalism isn't leftist, it's the practice of
] thinking critically. So of course campuses are liberal...
] it's their nature. The problem is this conflation of
] "liberal" with "radical leftist" (i.e. socialism.) -k]

I agree completely. And yes, it was so posted. And yes, I thought of it as I spieled.


Academia, Stuck To the Left
by noteworthy at 2:59 pm EST, Nov 28, 2004

This gives rise to the "false consensus effect," which occurs when, because of institutional provincialism, "people think that the collective opinion of their own group matches that of the larger population."

There also is "the law of group polarization": "when like-minded people deliberate as an organized group, the general opinion shifts toward extreme versions of their common beliefs." They become tone-deaf to the way they sound to others outside their closed circle of belief.

American campuses have more insistently proclaimed their commitment to diversity as they have become more intellectually monochrome.

They do indeed cultivate diversity -- in race, skin color, ethnicity, sexual preference. In everything but thought.


Academia, Stuck To the Left
by k at 11:53 am EST, Nov 29, 2004

] Academics such as the next secretary of state still
] decorate Washington, but academia is less listened to
] than it was. It has marginalized itself, partly by
] political shrillness and silliness that have something to
] do with the parochialism produced by what George Orwell
] called "smelly little orthodoxies."

[ There's some truth in this article, to be sure. Liberals do suffer from a certain amount of that "consensus effect", which explains, I think, why we say things like "I just don't understand the way people think in rural america."

That being said, I have trouble listening George Will talk about all the institutional barriers to conservative thought in academia, and crying about how marginalized academics have become without once mentioning the crusade of anti-intellecualism propagated by the far right for the past 30 years. You want an orthodoxy to parade around, consider looking to your right, where you'll find the most tightly knit and well organized message machine in modern history.* Message discipline is definitionally orthodox, a subscription to talking about issues only in one way. I'm not saying liberals don't fall into echo chamber mode somewhat, but for fucks sake, "intellectual" didn't become a dirty word by itself.

It must have been hell for Mr. Will, all those years at Trinity College, Oxford and Princeon, surrounded by liberals.

-k

* Will even telegraphs a bit of that message consistency in this article : I see the word "shrill" more often in conservatives' references to liberals than vice versa. It's a keyword perfectly suited to simultaneously discredit the oppositions viewpoint as unreasoning and childish and paint them an irritation, making it difficult to work.]


 
 
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