Hijexx wrote:
Is this another Innerzone vs Outerzone thing?

Yes. Some personal falling out between SkyDog and the management of Phreaknic... What I don't get is why we're all being asked to choose between them. I'll write more about this later.

Decius wrote:

Hijexx wrote:
Is this another Innerzone vs Outerzone thing?

Yes. Some personal falling out between SkyDog and the management of Phreaknic... What I don't get is why we're all being asked to choose between them. I'll write more about this later.

Just found this:

http://www.isdpodcast.com/episode-490-interview-with-trevor-hearn-skydog

It starts about 20 minutes in. I can see his points, all valid, but I'm still not sure why it had to be on the same weekend as Phreaknic. His reasoning for that is around the 28 minute mark. It hinges on the assumption that Skydogcon had to be held in the fall.

I'm not really in tune with the local "scene" anymore but it seems like the competition could have been avoided by scheduling Skydogcon in a different part of the year. Obviously SkyDog's call though, it's his thing, he can hold it whenever he wants.

Hijexx wrote:

Decius wrote:
It starts about 20 minutes in. I can see his points, all valid, but I'm still not sure why it had to be on the same weekend as Phreaknic.

This podcast is pretty infuriating honestly. Skydog showed up at Phreaknic last year and threw a party the purpose of which was to announce that he was going to take out Phreaknic. He distributed stickers at the party which said "RIPhreaknic" as in "Rest in Peace." It was made very clear to everyone what the deal was.

But here he says that he has no intention of damaging Phreaknic, and he has no idea why anyone would think that, and they go even further, to accuse those who make these accusations of being unreasonable.

I don't have the words to describe how disgusted I am.

Decius wrote:
This podcast is pretty infuriating honestly. Skydog showed up at Phreaknic last year and threw a party the purpose of which was to announce that he was going to take out Phreaknic. He distributed stickers at the party which said "RIPhreaknic" as in "Rest in Peace." It was made very clear to everyone what the deal was.

I remember those stickers now, I didn't think they were actually his doing though, I thought one of his friends printed them up. Regardless, I guess that explains why it's the same weekend, that's the part that didn't make sense to me.

Hijexx wrote:
I remember those stickers now, I didn't think they were actually his doing though, I thought one of his friends printed them up.

I guess its all plausibly deniable then. I have no idea what happened between SkyDog and Phreaknic, but I find this real difficult to swallow.

Decius wrote:

Hijexx wrote:

Decius wrote:
It starts about 20 minutes in. I can see his points, all valid, but I'm still not sure why it had to be on the same weekend as Phreaknic.

This podcast is pretty infuriating honestly. Skydog showed up at Phreaknic last year and threw a party the purpose of which was to announce that he was going to take out Phreaknic. He distributed stickers at the party which said "RIPhreaknic" as in "Rest in Peace." It was made very clear to everyone what the deal was.

But here he says that he has no intention of damaging Phreaknic, and he has no idea why anyone would think that, and they go even further, to accuse those who make these accusations of being unreasonable.

I don't have the words to describe how disgusted I am.

I haven't been around since the beginning, but my take on the reasoning for Outerz0ne was the disapproval of a lot of people in the direction Interz0ne was going or had started out as which was for profit.

I was excited about SkyDogCon when he first announced it and was kicking around ideas of it being in Daytona or something like that, but then it morphed into a vindictive sideshow that if I remember correctly before the more recent updates to the site said that it was a for profit con. There's absolutely no place for a second conference on the same weekend with such a small community. It's hard to imagine how anyone could think that what he's doing is anything BUT damaging by splitting the community, not just attendees but speakers as well.

That podcast was the last straw for me, I'd like to hear the PhreakNIC management response, but I would be willing to bet the stories don't match on how everything went down. The pool for speakers has always seemed relatively low and some speakers are giving the same talk at both cons. I really haven't seen any benefit to going to SkyDogCon, especially when it costs 3 times as much.

Hijexx wrote:
Is this another Innerzone vs Outerzone thing?

The only thing that's missing are a couple of golden masks and a scarf.