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[IP] John Gillmore: Bill Joy is Wrong!
by Decius at 2:46 pm EDT, Oct 25, 2004

] The roots of freedom of inquiry are in the european
] Enlightenment, which shaped the intellectual climate
] of the founding of the United States. The founders'
] ancestors had fled from countries where they were
] flogged, imprisoned, or killed for merely seeking to
] learn. For seeking to learn about a religion other
] than the official state religion, for example. For
] teaching such a religion to others. For inquiring
] into physics and then stating that the Earth revolved
] around the Sun. For believing in witchcraft or for
] seeking to teach how medicinal plants could be used
] to heal. For seeking to learn the truth about the
] King, when it was inconvenient for the King.
]
] It's clear that freedom of speech also includes freedom
] to listen.

The TSA is now requiring security threat assessments for
non-U.S. citizens seeking training at U.S. flight schools. John Gillmore's discussion of this question strikes at the heart of the things that Bill Joy was talking about in his essay about the control of ideas. Gold Star.


 
John Gilmore: 'I'm Right, And You Know It!'
by noteworthy at 1:02 am EDT, Oct 26, 2004

It's clear that freedom of speech also includes freedom to listen.

John Gilmore drops his rhetorical sledgehammer on TSA's pinhead, drawing on a century of Supreme jurisprudence to demonstrate the error of their ways.

He is, of course, absolutely right on point, but that does not excuse his extreme Constitutional fixation. John seems determined to prove the Wrongness of TSA's plan, and in the process totally misses (or ignores) the folly of it.

Russ Nelson promptly chimes in, echoing the nugget of wisdom proffered by a short pull on the cord of his Bruce Schneier talking plush doll. "Hey, guys -- it won't even work!" (We would have also accepted: "Security is a Process!")

The question we should ask ourselves is, What should we do?


 
 
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