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Guardian Unlimited | Guardian daily comment | Far graver than Vietnam
by k at 1:16 pm EDT, Sep 17, 2004 |
] 'Bring them on!" President Bush challenged the early
] Iraqi insurgency in July of last year. ... Almost
] every day, in campaign speeches, Bush speaks with
] bravado about how he is "winning" in Iraq. "Our strategy
] is succeeding," he boasted to the National Guard
] convention on Tuesday.
]
] But, according to the US military's leading strategists
] and prominent retired generals, Bush's war is already
] lost. [ There's not even a single key quote to meme here. Every single paragraph is damning. Ret. Gen. Odom led the NSA, Ret. Gen. Hoare headed Cent. Com., Jeffrey Record and W. Andrew Terrill are professors of strategy at two US war collges. These aren't armchair pundits like we are... they know a few things, and they bring up failures on a ton of fronts. Go read it. -k] |
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RE: Guardian Unlimited | Guardian daily comment | Far graver than Vietnam
by Neoteric at 5:37 pm EDT, Sep 17, 2004 |
] Most senior US military officers now believe the war
] on Iraq has turned into a disaster on an unprecedented
] scale.
]
] 'Bring them on!" President Bush challenged the early
] Iraqi insurgency in July of last year. Since then, 812
] American soldiers have been killed and 6,290 wounded,
] according to the Pentagon. Almost every day, in campaign
] speeches, Bush speaks with bravado about how he is
] "winning" in Iraq. "Our strategy is succeeding," he
] boasted to the National Guard convention on Tuesday.
]
] But, according to the US military's leading strategists
] and prominent retired generals, Bush's war is already
] lost. Retired general William Odom, former head of the
] National Security Agency, told me: "Bush hasn't found the
] WMD. Al-Qaida, it's worse, he's lost on that front. That
] he's going to achieve a democracy there? That goal is
] lost, too. It's lost." He adds: "Right now, the course
] we're on, we're achieving Bin Laden's ends." Everyone should read this because it scares me (already posted it here: http://www.memestreams.net/users/timball/blogid4430336). --timball |
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Guardian Unlimited | Guardian daily comment | Far graver than Vietnam
by Mike the Usurper at 4:12 pm EDT, Sep 20, 2004 |
] General Odom said: "This is far graver than Vietnam.
] There wasn't as much at stake strategically, though in
] both cases we mindlessly went ahead with the war that was
] not constructive for US aims. But now we're in a region
] far more volatile, and we're in much worse shape with our
] allies." Worse than Vietnam? I'm not sure how you can really get more damning than that. |
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