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Puntin uses school attacks to cripple democracy in Russia.
by Lost at 9:48 pm EDT, Sep 14, 2004 |
] Among Putin's reforms announced Monday: the country's 89
] regional governors will no longer be elected by popular
] vote. Instead, he will appoint them and regional
] assemblies would approve the appointments.
]
] He also announced on Monday that seats in the Duma
] (Russia's national parliament) allocated to single-member
] constituencies will be replaced with a fully proportional
] system. The move "could see the few remaining independent
] voices forced out of the federal parliament" This isn't as serious as it might seem, in a way. Most Russians figure that Putin will never leave office... and most still vote for him. And the legislative branch hasn't had any real power since Putin took office. Its more like that he is formalizing the way things work in practice. So... no real change here. Next he'll cancel the term limits. It is all very predictable. The Russian people have chosen dictatorship over corrupt democracy/oligarchy. Putin is a facist, but his strength is reassuring. After the debauchery of the Yeltsin years... you can hardly blame them. |
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RE: Puntin uses school attacks to cripple democracy in Russia.
by Decius at 11:34 pm EDT, Sep 14, 2004 |
Jello wrote:
] This isn't as serious as it might seem, in a way. Depends how you define serious. Yup, the democracy sucked, but to select dictatorship. Even if Putin makes the trains run on time, he will establish a system in which people have no power, and then he will go away and another will replace him. Ultimately, the result will be bad. A benevolent dictatorship is still a dictatorship. |
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RE: Putin uses school attacks to cripple democracy in Russia.
by Lost at 1:18 am EDT, Sep 15, 2004 |
Decius wrote:
] Jello wrote:
] ] This isn't as serious as it might seem, in a way.
]
] Depends how you define serious. Yup, the democracy sucked, but
] to select dictatorship. Even if Putin makes the trains run on
] time, he will establish a system in which people have no
] power, and then he will go away and another will replace him.
] Ultimately, the result will be bad. A benevolent dictatorship
] is still a dictatorship. No, I agree that its terrible. I hope Putin gets testicular cancer, along with the entire Moscow Militsia. I'm just saying, that this isn't really a change. Its just the formalization of changes that happened in the last 5-6 years. If Putin doesn't support a candidate, then he rarely gets elected. Which is basically the same as him directly appointing officials. And the Duma is a joke. They have no real power. So modifying those elections doesn't really amount to much. The new system is a bit more honest than the old one, about what it is. But its the same. The pretext for the announcement however, is absurd. The caucus resion has been under this new system since before the school incident. As for civil liberties... most Russians are so preoccupied with getting by, and the government is so unwieldy, the militsia so oppressive, that freedom is equivalent to avoiding the system entirely. Rights exist on paper, but not in reality. Unless you can afford them. Perhaps the ideal thing would be for a benevolent dictator (which he is not) to clean things up, to make Russian government function, and then to return the system to the people. Too bad it never happens that way. |
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Puntin uses school attacks to cripple democracy in Russia.
by skullaria at 9:51 am EDT, Sep 15, 2004 |
Umn, like the Bush administration didn't go in the same direction after 911? Hell, Bush wasn't elected by popular vote BEFORE 911. ] Among Putin's reforms announced Monday: the country's 89
] regional governors will no longer be elected by popular
] vote. Instead, he will appoint them and regional
] assemblies would approve the appointments.
]
] He also announced on Monday that seats in the Duma
] (Russia's national parliament) allocated to single-member
] constituencies will be replaced with a fully proportional
] system. The move "could see the few remaining independent
] voices forced out of the federal parliament" |
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RE: Puntin uses school attacks to cripple democracy in Russia.
by Vile at 8:46 pm EDT, Sep 15, 2004 |
skullaria wrote:
] Umn, like the Bush administration didn't go in the same
] direction after 911? Hell, Bush wasn't elected by popular
] vote BEFORE 911. No, but if you think that Bush sucks England and Israel's ass, you would have loved to have Gore and Lieberman in office! Wait a minute, wasn't Gore's wife the one who tried to ban rock music and Lieberman the one who sanctimoniously called for more of a dedication to faith-based bullshit and wanted to censor TV and movies. Fuck these people and fuck those who support them.
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] ] Among Putin's reforms announced Monday: the country's 89
] ] regional governors will no longer be elected by popular
] ] vote. Instead, he will appoint them and regional
] ] assemblies would approve the appointments.
] ]
] ] He also announced on Monday that seats in the Duma
] ] (Russia's national parliament) allocated to single-member
] ] constituencies will be replaced with a fully proportional
] ] system. The move "could see the few remaining independent
] ] voices forced out of the federal parliament" |
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Puntin uses school attacks to cripple democracy in Russia.
by Decius at 1:38 pm EDT, Sep 14, 2004 |
] Among Putin's reforms announced Monday: the country's 89
] regional governors will no longer be elected by popular
] vote. Instead, he will appoint them and regional
] assemblies would approve the appointments.
]
] He also announced on Monday that seats in the Duma
] (Russia's national parliament) allocated to single-member
] constituencies will be replaced with a fully proportional
] system. The move "could see the few remaining independent
] voices forced out of the federal parliament" |
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