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Government wants ID arguments secret
by flynn23 at 2:03 pm EDT, Sep 7, 2004

] The U.S. Department of Justice has asked an appellate
] court to keep its arguments secret for a case in which
] privacy advocate John Gilmore is challenging federal
] requirements to show identification before boarding an
] airplane.

Yes! The Bush Administration is continuing to erode your civil liberties! Without shame even!

RE: Government wants ID arguments secret
by Vile at 1:36 am EDT, Sep 8, 2004

flynn23 wrote:
] ] The U.S. Department of Justice has asked an appellate
] ] court to keep its arguments secret for a case in which
] ] privacy advocate John Gilmore is challenging federal
] ] requirements to show identification before boarding an
] ] airplane.
]
] Yes! The Bush Administration is continuing to erode your civil
] liberties! Without shame even!

Whatever. You are such a retard that I believe you may as well go join the Al Queda and see that even they will agree with me, slice your stupid american head off and roll it off the top of a golden ziggurat! You should show ID before boarding an Airplane, regardless of the infringement on your civil liberties. Nowhere in the Constitution, Bill of Rights, or even in the ACLU records, do I see any infringement of rights by having to show ID before you get on board a goddam plane! Now, let me tell you a bit about me, so you get a better picture of what you are dealing with. I used an expired license for four years to do everything I needed to do. Now, this created quite a few wrinkles in my day-to-day activities. For one, no one would cash a check for me when I was out of state. Another wrinkle lay in my ability to acquire alcohol. Some stores just wouldn't honor an expired license, as if, when the license expired, I ceased to be me. I still felt like me, but to the moron at the liquor store, or 7-11, who denied me smokes or booze, I was no longer the person who turned 18 almost a decade ago. This was fun. Seriously. I liked it. It turned life into more of a game. I like this sort of thing. However, I did not renew the license since my eyesight is failing and I cannot drive, which meant that the license was a thing of frivolity as far as I was concerned. So, I decided not to pay the state to tell me I was still me, and I suffered the consequences. However, if I got drunker than a skunk on grain and smoked enough cigarettes to turn Michael Jackson's lungs black and cashed my shitty little checks till I was a fuggin' millionaire, I would have affected no one but myself. (Unless if I invested one of my aforementioned shitty checks in a plane ticket and a box cutter). However, if you are getting on a plane, which can be used as a deadly weapon of mass destruction, as 9/11 showed us, then I think asking some dumb asshole american to show a little proof of identity is not necessarily a bad thing. In this way, your fucking ignorance astounds me. My liberal side shows up regarding issues of free speech, ability to do that which does not directly affect another,
compassion for the poor, corporate accountability, the end of corporate welfare, and saving the fucking seals. However, nowhere in my credo is allowing 200 passengers of a plane to be at the mercy of one fuckup who wants to shatter their lives under a hail of religious ferver-cum-psychosis that ends up causing death, destruction and the furtherance of (usually liberal)... [ Read More (0.2k in body) ]

Government wants ID arguments secret
by k at 11:29 pm EDT, Sep 7, 2004

] Now in his appellate case, Gilmore maintains the federal
] government has yet to disclose the regulations behind the
] ID requirement to which he was subjected.
]
] "How are people supposed to follow laws if they don't
] know what they are?" Harrison said.
]
] The government contends its court arguments should be
] sealed from public view and heard before a judge outside
] the presence of Gilmore and his attorneys. The
] government, however, said it would plan to file another
] redacted public version of its arguments.

[ Shenanigans. -k]

Government wants ID arguments secret
by Decius at 9:19 am EDT, Sep 8, 2004

] The government contends its court arguments should be
] sealed from public view and heard before a judge outside
] the presence of Gilmore and his attorneys.

This is the key here. The government can make arguments that you can't rebut in court. This would be an absolute crisis if the government was a plaintiff, but even as a defendant it creates room for abuse. Secret laws with secret justifications.