Create an Account
username: password:
 
  MemeStreams Logo

MemeStreams Discussion

search


This page contains all of the posts and discussion on MemeStreams referencing the following web page: Safety Gap Grows Wider Between S.U.V.'s and Cars. You can find discussions on MemeStreams as you surf the web, even if you aren't a MemeStreams member, using the Threads Bookmarklet.

Safety Gap Grows Wider Between S.U.V.'s and Cars
by janelane at 7:37 pm EDT, Aug 23, 2004

] People driving or riding in a sport utility vehicle in
] 2003 were nearly 11 percent more likely to die in an
] accident than people in cars, the figures show. The
] government began keeping detailed statistics on the
] safety of vehicle categories in 1994.

I really cannot conceive of SUVs as the root of all evil of the auto industry. If anything, that title should belong to policy makers who refuse to hike min mpg requirements or lobbyists who insist that making such policy would send the U.S. back into little more than primordial ooze (technically speaking). If they could more than double the average mpg from 12 mpg in '72 to 24 mpg in '82, they can sure as hell stack on some additional efficiency now without flushing the economy.

Rightly so, however, many of the arguments for high mpg center around the atrociously heavy SUV; SUVs are pulling down the average mpg as they rise in popularity while Congress continually defeats laws that would raise the minimum average mpg or demand tighter safety restrictions (like mandatory side-curtain airbags). However, the trend seems to be subtly shifting from giant behemoths like the Tahoe and Expedition to more car-like vehicles with comparable weight, height, and location of center-of-gravity. I was standing next to a new Lexus SUV the other day and noticed that it was shorter than me (5'3”). It's chassis is from a car, not a truck, and as such the weight and location of the center-of-gravity are greatly reduced, the benefits of which contribute greatly to fuel efficiency and rollover resistance (respectively).

However, with the current standing in Congress, things just aren't going to change. Benefits to fuel-efficient drivers are expiring while tax breaks for land-barge drivers are increasing. And that's just the trouble with consumption; there's hasn't been a "call to arms" for fuel efficiency increase since the 70s. And, even in places where legislation is making the giant leap towards energy efficiency, some of the enforcers are being held up by their own biases; check out the link for an article entitled "California's SUV Ban: The Golden State has outlawed big SUVs on many of its roads but doesn't seem to know it."

So, before its too late, I hope the policy makers, automakers and consumers seek to narrow the gap between SUVs and cars before the decline in oil production does it for us.

http://slate.msn.com/id/2104755


 
Safety Gap Grows Wider Between S.U.V.'s and Cars
by Acidus at 10:35 pm EDT, Aug 23, 2004

janelane wrote:
] ] People driving or riding in a sport utility vehicle in
] ] 2003 were nearly 11 percent more likely to die in an
] ] accident than people in cars, the figures show. The
] ] government began keeping detailed statistics on the
] ] safety of vehicle categories in 1994.
]
] I really cannot conceive of SUVs as the root of all evil of
] the auto industry. If anything, that title should belong to
] policy makers who refuse to hike min mpg requirements or
] lobbyists who insist that making such policy would send the
] U.S. back into little more than primordial ooze (technically
] speaking). If they could more than double the average mpg
] from 12 mpg in '72 to 24 mpg in '82, they can sure as hell
] stack on some additional efficiency now without flushing the
] economy.

Here Here! Uping the MPG and reducing consumption are alternatives we need to look at. However, I have a feeling Energy Policy meetings go a little something like this:

Sec. of Energy: Mr President, we are too dependant on foreign oil. We have 2 options, we could secure more oil reserves through some kind of military operation or trading treaties, or we could rise the MP...

Bush: Wait, wait wait! I found if people give me choices, my head hurts. What was the first thing?

Sec. of Energy: ... er... secure more oil reserves through military action or a trading treat...

Bush: What did I just tell you about give me options? What is the first part of the first thing?

Sec. Of Energy:... [sigh]... Secure more oil with military action.

Bush: I like it.

Powell: Sir, this is truly the most retarded thing I have ever...

Bush: Damn it Colin, what have I told you? If two people talk to me at once, my head hurts. Now, lets do this. Bring me my wall sized coloring book! [aid brings in a large map], ok, here we go [throws dart]... hmmm.... Pa, Pasiff... Pacific Ocean! Looks kind of big. I call do over! [throws dart]... damn it, not again! You didn't see anything did you?

Powell: Just my duty to the American people going to hell.

Bush: Good. Do over! [Throws dart]

[Hours pass, Powell shoots himself, Hours pass]

Bush: Damn it! I just might have to take on Pacific and his punk buddys Atlantic and Indian. One more! [throws darts]... hmmm. Somebody call Dick and ask him what I-R-A-Q spells.


 
RE: Safety Gap Grows Wider Between S.U.V.'s and Cars
by Shannon at 12:27 am EDT, Aug 24, 2004

If smokers have to pay more tax, why don't these gas wasting morons?

janelane wrote:
] ] People driving or riding in a sport utility vehicle in
] ] 2003 were nearly 11 percent more likely to die in an
] ] accident than people in cars, the figures show. The
] ] government began keeping detailed statistics on the
] ] safety of vehicle categories in 1994.
]
] I really cannot conceive of SUVs as the root of all evil of
] the auto industry. If anything, that title should belong to
] policy makers who refuse to hike min mpg requirements or
] lobbyists who insist that making such policy would send the
] U.S. back into little more than primordial ooze (technically
] speaking). If they could more than double the average mpg
] from 12 mpg in '72 to 24 mpg in '82, they can sure as hell
] stack on some additional efficiency now without flushing the
] economy.
]
] Rightly so, however, many of the arguments for high mpg center
] around the atrociously heavy SUV; SUVs are pulling down the
] average mpg as they rise in popularity while Congress
] continually defeats laws that would raise the minimum average
] mpg or demand tighter safety restrictions (like mandatory
] side-curtain airbags). However, the trend seems to be subtly
] shifting from giant behemoths like the Tahoe and Expedition to
] more car-like vehicles with comparable weight, height, and
] location of center-of-gravity. I was standing next to a new
] Lexus SUV the other day and noticed that it was shorter than
] me (5'3”). It's chassis is from a car, not a truck, and as
] such the weight and location of the center-of-gravity are
] greatly reduced, the benefits of which contribute greatly to
] fuel efficiency and rollover resistance (respectively).
]
] However, with the current standing in Congress, things just
] aren't going to change. Benefits to fuel-efficient drivers
] are expiring while tax breaks for land-barge drivers are
] increasing. And that's just the trouble with consumption;
] there's hasn't been a "call to arms" for fuel efficiency
] increase since the 70s. And, even in places where legislation
] is making the giant leap towards energy efficiency, some of
] the enforcers are being held up by their own biases; check out
] the link for an article entitled "California's SUV Ban: The
] Golden State has outlawed big SUVs on many of its roads but
] doesn't seem to know it."
]
] So, before its too late, I hope the policy makers, automakers
] and consumers seek to narrow the gap between SUVs and cars
] before the decline in oil production does it for us.
]
] http://slate.msn.com/id/2104755


 
Safety Gap Grows Wider Between S.U.V.'s and Cars
by adamist at 11:02 am EDT, Aug 24, 2004

janelane wrote:
] ] People driving or riding in a sport utility vehicle in
] ] 2003 were nearly 11 percent more likely to die in an
] ] accident than people in cars, the figures show. The
] ] government began keeping detailed statistics on the
] ] safety of vehicle categories in 1994.
]
] I really cannot conceive of SUVs as the root of all evil of
] the auto industry. If anything, that title should belong to
] policy makers who refuse to hike min mpg requirements or
] lobbyists who insist that making such policy would send the
] U.S. back into little more than primordial ooze (technically
] speaking). If they could more than double the average mpg
] from 12 mpg in '72 to 24 mpg in '82, they can sure as hell
] stack on some additional efficiency now without flushing the
] economy.

Here Here! Uping the MPG and reducing consumption are alternatives we need to look at. However, I have a feeling Energy Policy meetings go a little something like this:

Sec. of Energy: Mr President, we are too dependant on foreign oil. We have 2 options, we could secure more oil reserves through some kind of military operation or trading treaties, or we could rise the MP...

Bush: Wait, wait wait! I found if people give me choices, my head hurts. What was the first thing?

Sec. of Energy: ... er... secure more oil reserves through military action or a trading treat...

Bush: What did I just tell you about give me options? What is the first part of the first thing?

Sec. Of Energy:... [sigh]... Secure more oil with military action.

Bush: I like it.

Powell: Sir, this is truly the most retarded thing I have ever...

Bush: Damn it Colin, what have I told you? If two people talk to me at once, my head hurts. Now, lets do this. Bring me my wall sized coloring book! [aid brings in a large map], ok, here we go [throws dart]... hmmm.... Pa, Pasiff... Pacific Ocean! Looks kind of big. I call do over! [throws dart]... damn it, not again! You didn't see anything did you?

Powell: Just my duty to the American people going to hell.

Bush: Good. Do over! [Throws dart]

[Hours pass, Powell shoots himself, Hours pass]

Bush: Damn it! I just might have to take on Pacific and his punk buddys Atlantic and Indian. One more! [throws darts]... hmmm. Somebody call Dick and ask him what I-R-A-Q spells.


 
 
Powered By Industrial Memetics