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Reason for war
by Palindrome at 12:37 pm EDT, Jul 30, 2004

As President, I will wage this war with the lessons I learned in war. Before you go to battle, you have to be able to look a parent in the eye and truthfully say: "I tried everything possible to avoid sending your son or daughter into harm's way. But we had no choice. We had to protect the American people, fundamental American values from a threat that was real and imminent." So lesson one, this is the only justification for going to war.

And tonight, we have an important message for those who question the patriotism of Americans who offer a better direction for our country. Before wrapping themselves in the flag and shutting their eyes and ears to the truth, they should remember what America is really all about. They should remember the great idea of freedom for which so many have given their lives. Our purpose now is to reclaim democracy itself. We are here to affirm that when Americans stand up and speak their minds and say America can do better, that is not a challenge to patriotism; it is the heart and soul of patriotism.

A couple quotes from Kerry's speech that ring true.

RE: Reason for war
by skullaria at 7:08 pm EDT, Aug 1, 2004

I'll wait for the debate for more specifics, and visit his website as anyone should. He hardly had enough time to complete his speech as it was.

I'm definitely voting for Kerry. I can use some hope for HOPE right now.

-k.

Palindrome wrote:
] As President, I will wage this war with the lessons I learned
] in war. Before you go to battle, you have to be able to look
] a parent in the eye and truthfully say: "I tried everything
] possible to avoid sending your son or daughter into harm's
] way. But we had no choice. We had to protect the American
] people, fundamental American values from a threat that was
] real and imminent." So lesson one, this is the only
] justification for going to war.
]
] And tonight, we have an important message for those who
] question the patriotism of Americans who offer a better
] direction for our country. Before wrapping themselves in the
] flag and shutting their eyes and ears to the truth, they
] should remember what America is really all about. They should
] remember the great idea of freedom for which so many have
] given their lives. Our purpose now is to reclaim democracy
] itself. We are here to affirm that when Americans stand up and
] speak their minds and say America can do better, that is not a
] challenge to patriotism; it is the heart and soul of
] patriotism.
]
] A couple quotes from Kerry's speech that ring true.

John Kerry's Acceptance Speech
by noteworthy at 3:06 pm EDT, Jul 31, 2004

I will have a Vice President ... I will have a Secretary of Defense ... I will appoint an Attorney General ...

"I will have a Deputy Assistant Secretary of Agriculture for Marketing and Consumer Services ..."

Note: No mention of a DCI or an intelligence director.

Did I mention values?

... jobs, jobs, jobs ... jobs blah blah jobs blah blah jobs blah blah jobs ...

... and not so much as a word linking jobs with education. Jobs are about people, not policy, not process.

Did I mention values?

NEO: Can you fly that thing?
TRINITY: Not yet.
TANK: Operator.
TRINITY: Tank, I need a pilot program for a military B- 212 helicopter.
TRINITY: Hurry!
TRINITY: Let's go.

He seems deeply confused about foreign relations. First he says, "to protect the American people, fundamental American values ... is the only justification for going to war." Then he talks about the importance of not having "to go it alone in the world." How does he expect other nations to join with us in the protection of American values, if our president is on record that the United States is unwilling to go to war to protect fundamental British values, or French values, or Italian values, or German values, or Spanish values, or Iraqi values, or Pakistani values, or Canadian values?

Did I mention values?

I will immediately reform the intelligence system.

How, please?

I will fight a smarter, more effective war on terror.

How, please?

For a man of details and nuance, he is rather short on both here.

Did I mention values?

We need to lead a global effort against nuclear proliferation to keep the most dangerous weapons in the world out of the most dangerous hands in the world.

Bandwagoning, motherhood, and apple pie. Sam Nunn and Richard Lugar have been working on this for years now.

"In the past decade, the Nunn-Lugar has spent $4bn to help former Soviet states eliminate or secure weapons of mass destruction. Its successes range from dismantling one of the world's largest biological weapons production facilities in Kazakhstan to deactivating more than 6,000 nuclear warheads spread across Russia and the former Soviet Union."

... balanced budget ... balanced budget ... balanced budget ... I will immediately implement the recommendations of the 9/11 commission.

Does he have any idea how much it will cost to physically inspect every container ship?

http://www.machinevisiononline.org/public/articles/archivedetails.cfm?id=1419

"Some 200 million intermodal cargo containers carry an estimated $12.5 trillion in cargo by ship, rail and truck each year. Today, only 2 percent or of cargo containers are inspected at US ports, and of those inspected, the containers contents match the manifest only about 30 percent of the time. Experts estimate that fielding the necessary cargo inspection ... [ Read More (0.1k in body) ]

RE: John Kerry's Acceptance Speech
by Decius at 4:03 am EDT, Aug 1, 2004

noteworthy wrote:
] All Americans will be able to buy less expensive
] prescription drugs from countries like Canada. ... What
] if we find a breakthrough to cure AIDS?
]
] Is there an official list of "countries like Canada?" Is it
] published by the Canadian government, or by the US? Do the
] Canadians also publish a list of "countries like the United
] States"?
]
] Will Americans be able to buy their AIDS drugs from South
] Africa, too? Does he have any idea how all of this actually
] works?

Its fucking stupid dude. If he likes the price of drugs in Canada so much then why doesn't he just implement domestic price controls here instead of allowing people to import them from there?

RE: John Kerry's Acceptance Speech
by Palindrome at 7:14 pm EDT, Aug 1, 2004

Decius wrote:
] noteworthy wrote:
] ] All Americans will be able to buy less expensive
] ] prescription drugs from countries like Canada. ...
] What
] ] if we find a breakthrough to cure AIDS?
] ]
] ] Is there an official list of "countries like Canada?" Is it
]
] ] published by the Canadian government, or by the US? Do the
] ] Canadians also publish a list of "countries like the United
] ] States"?
] ]
] ] Will Americans be able to buy their AIDS drugs from South
] ] Africa, too? Does he have any idea how all of this actually
]
] ] works?
]
] Its fucking stupid dude. If he likes the price of drugs in
] Canada so much then why doesn't he just implement domestic
] price controls here instead of allowing people to import them
] from there?

Well shouldn't we support Canada and all the other countries that are not lucky enough to be the USA?? I mean how would Canada survive with out us?

Honestly though we saw what happened when Howard Dean got overly excite and started making huge promises. Let's give him a chance the race is just getting started.

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