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On terrorist attacks and elections
by k at 11:14 am EDT, Jul 21, 2004

] A judge in Glynn County voided the election results in an
] education board race after a poll worker posted a
] misleading sign.

Just a note on the present hysteria over election postponement, which I believe has riled up some democrats for no reason other then because someone in the administration proposed it. We reschedule elections when people accidentally post misleading signs. You would think a terrorist attack would be a little more serious then that.

[ I wouldn't say I'm riled up, but I still question the functional outcome of such a delay. There's a fundamental limit on how many days it could be pushed back without amending the rules to let the president stay longer or else pass power to congress somehow. All of the shenanigans seem to add up to not worth it, especially since i think any major attack will affect people's voting proclivities for months, rendering a delay somewhat pointless.

As i've said, in cases of public safety, where a known (or believed with high probability) threat exists, then action must be taken, but i just really think the effort spent on this exceeds it's worth.

But what do i know, let's go for it. We'll make elction day v.2 sometime in early december and if some bullshit happens in november we can all go back later.

I still think it'd be beneficial to spread voting out over a longer time frame, like days, but the logistical issues of keeping results secret for that long may render such a change impossible. If not everyone has to vote on the same day, any delays or validity concerns are mitigated somewhat.

Anyway, i've hardly heard talk of it recently... the strikingly well timed Berger incident is overshadowing pretty much everything else. -k]


 
RE: On terrorist attacks and elections
by Decius at 11:57 am EDT, Jul 21, 2004

k wrote:
] [ I wouldn't say I'm riled up, but I still question the
] functional outcome of such a delay.

John Perry Barlow just posted a rant in which he waxed from a conspiracy theory about election delays to a literal fear that he might be held as an enemy combatent for posting in his blog.

I don't mean to say I don't see room for discussion here. I can't refute your arguement that the length of time needed to get everyone to calm down might exceed the amount of time that you can reasonably delay an election. It depends on the situation. A 9/11 style attack which is very dramatic and thousands die would have a more lasting impact then a more run of the mill scenario. I think there are scenarios where a few weeks might help. Obviously there has to be a hard limit to this.

One thing that really troubles me is that attacks on voting places themselves could make people afraid to vote, which would be difficult to address. If this started occuring we'd end up moving rapidly toward internet voting, which is very difficult to secure, and impossible to protect against voter coersion.

Wrapping back around, what I am saying is that most of the commentators I'm reading who are opposed to this aren't arguing about the question, they're arguing that Bush is trying to take over the world. The right, by the same token, seems to reflexively support this idea for entirely partisan reasons. Its getting on my nerves.

] I still think it'd be beneficial to spread voting out over a
] longer time frame, like days, but the logistical issues of
] keeping results secret for that long may render such a change
] impossible.

Yeah, exit polls from day one would impact the results of day two. Same way the primary system puts control of the Presidential election in a handful of states which were, ehm, carefully selected by the parties for their purposes.

] Anyway, i've hardly heard talk of it recently... the
] strikingly well timed Berger incident is overshadowing pretty
] much everything else.

What do you mean by well timed? Is there something else going on that we're not paying attention to because of this?


  
RE: On terrorist attacks and elections
by k at 12:54 pm EDT, Jul 21, 2004

Decius wrote:
] k wrote:
] Wrapping back around, what I am saying is that most of the
] commentators I'm reading who are opposed to this aren't
] arguing about the question, they're arguing that Bush is
] trying to take over the world. The right, by the same token,
] seems to reflexively support this idea for entirely partisan
] reasons. Its getting on my nerves.

[ That's definitely fair, and speaks to sort of an endemic problem these days... ]

] Yeah, exit polls from day one would impact the results of day
] two.

[ .. well, there's nothing saying you have to let people take exit polls, or let them publish them at least, until later, but no matter what, people would talk, news would leak, and the voting on day 5 would differ substantially from the voting on day 1. ..]

] What do you mean by well timed? Is there something else going
] on that we're not paying attention to because of this?

[ The 9/11 report comes out tomorrow and the Dem. convention starts monday. Undoubtedly the report will get coverage, and it may be enough to push this thing into minimal coverage mode where it belongs, or I hope so at least. But it still distracts from Kerry's last minute pre-convention campaigning (since he has to spend all his money by next thursday), requiring him to waste time answering questions about it and refuting accusations of wrongdoing. Also, this investigation into Berger has been ongoing since October. It seems incredibly coincidental that it would come to public light just now, after 9 months. -k]


On terrorist attacks and elections
by Decius at 9:51 am EDT, Jul 21, 2004

] A judge in Glynn County voided the election results in an
] education board race after a poll worker posted a
] misleading sign.

Just a note on the present hysteria over election postponement, which I believe has riled up some democrats for no reason other then because someone in the administration proposed it. We reschedule elections when people accidentally post misleading signs. You would think a terrorist attack would be a little more serious then that.


 
 
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