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'I saw papers that show US knew al-Qa'ida would attack cities with aeroplanes'
by Hijexx at 10:38 am EST, Apr 2, 2004

A former translator for the FBI with top-secret security clearance says she has provided information to the panel investigating the 11 September attacks which proves senior officials knew of al-Qa'ida's plans to attack the US with aircraft months before the strikes happened.
She said the claim by the National Security Adviser, Condoleezza Rice, that there was no such information was "an outrageous lie".

Sibel Edmonds said she spent more than three hours in a closed session with the commission's investigators providing information that was circulating within the FBI in the spring and summer of 2001 suggesting that an attack using aircraft was just months away and the terrorists were in place. The Bush administration, meanwhile, has sought to silence her and has obtained a gagging order from a court by citing the rarely used "state secrets privilege".

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A write up in the Independent about a whistleblower coming forth. Here's a transcript of an interview with her too:

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=04/03/31/1616221#transcript

Here's to hoping that this gets investigated further, drawn out into the public eye, and shown to be true.

RE: 'I saw papers that show US knew al-Qa'ida would attack cities with aeroplanes'
by Decius at 6:56 pm EDT, Apr 4, 2004

Hijexx wrote:
] Here's to hoping that this gets investigated further, drawn
] out into the public eye, and shown to be true.

Why would you hope that this would be shown to be true?

RE: 'I saw papers that show US knew al-Qa'ida would attack cities with aeroplanes'
by Hijexx at 8:11 pm EDT, Apr 4, 2004

Decius wrote:

] Why would you hope that this would be shown to be true?

I believe that 9/11 was allowed to happen. She is brave by coming out with this information, especially being under a gag order. When it is shown to be true, that we did have specific intelligence about an impending attack, that opens up the doors for inquiry. That is why I hope it is not just misinformation.

RE: 'I saw papers that show US knew al-Qa'ida would attack cities with aeroplanes'
by Decius at 8:59 pm EDT, Apr 4, 2004

Hijexx wrote:
] Decius wrote:
]
] ] Why would you hope that this would be shown to be true?
]
] I believe that 9/11 was allowed to happen. She is brave by
] coming out with this information, especially being under a gag
] order. When it is shown to be true, that we did have specific
] intelligence about an impending attack, that opens up the
] doors for inquiry. That is why I hope it is not just
] misinformation.

Do you believe that 9/11 was allowed to happen, or do you hope that 9/11 was allowed to happen.

If this person's testimony indicates that 9/11 was allowed to happen, then one would hope that it is not true, to the degree that one would hope that 9/11 was not "allowed to happen."

RE: 'I saw papers that show US knew al-Qa'ida would attack cities with aeroplanes'
by Hijexx at 11:58 pm EDT, Apr 4, 2004

Decius wrote:

] Do you believe that 9/11 was allowed to happen, or do you hope
] that 9/11 was allowed to happen.
]
] If this person's testimony indicates that 9/11 was allowed to
] happen, then one would hope that it is not true, to the degree
] that one would hope that 9/11 was not "allowed to happen."

The testimony itself won't prove a link. I believe the salient bits will not be allowed to come out because of National Security concerns. But I do hope that some of it gets put into that pile of information that is hidden but released many decades later. I think we'll get a lot of Kennedey files in a few more years, barring a steep slide of the current Democracy's politics into imperialism.

My frame of reference and the origin of my belief, I think they come from the World Trade Center, Building 7. I've seen three clips from two different networks that day of WTC 7. It exhibited a completely vertical collapse into it's own footprint.

I don't know how you would go about getting it, but if the networks allowed footage to be released for non-commercial, historical research, I would like to see the originals. The chance of misinformation occuring between now and then is large.

For the videos that do exist on the internet, there is one page that lists a still and a small description of each video:

http://www.wtc7.net/videos.html

The current leaseholder of WTC 7, Larry Silverstein, was quoted in a PBS documentary saying the decision was made to collapse the building. The logistics behind collapsing a 600 foot building are someone non-trivial. I don't believe it could be rigged in 9 hours. I don't know any professional demolitions experts to ask though. If it is true, that a skyscraper can be rigged for collapse in 9 hours, it becomes somewhat explainable. Still shady, and wouldn't answer other questions, but it would be somewhat calming to my mind.

Otherwise, you have to consider other obvious things, like the tenants. A lot of the alphabet agencies had set up shop in the building. Not exactly a low profile complex. You wouldn't want it to be scoured by unclassified people. There was a localized fire on one floor of the building. Firefighters, would you really want them in there? Probably not. You probably have the place rigged to blow beforehand.

It's obvious to me that the building was cut. A localized fire would not have weakened a steel frame structure enough to cause the simultaneous loss of load bearing structure integrity across a given horizontal plane. I still believe in the laws of physics.

To me, when I accepted that as fact, I started questioning the whole thing.

It's not a popular line of thought. It doesn't make me any friends. But it's something I believe. I believe 9/11 was known about, and was allowed to happen. Do I hope that 9/11 was allowed to happen? No, because that would prove that evil does exist to me. I'd rather believe in positive/negative finite/infinite forces. Evil is one of those facets I'd rather not believe in.

Project Bojinka: Do you believe it was a real plan?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Bojinka

If so, the government knew that this threat existed at least 6 years prior.