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Jesse Ruderman: Experience Google's new look
by k at 9:41 pm EST, Mar 12, 2004

] Google has been testing a new look with a small percent
] of visitors. I wrote a bookmarklet that lets you make
] Google show you the new look:

[ The look is ok. Nothing revolutionary, but it's cleaner. I'm interested to know if there are backend improvements to go along with the new look.

I'm not gonna be satisfied until the computer knows what i want to look at based on correlating its semantic map with whatever i'm working on. If I happen to be reading a document about global warming affecting coastal sea bird populations, i want the computer to know that and be looking for related information before i ask it, so when i do ask for more, it's right there, sorted by subtopics at multiple levels, coded for relevance and preferably with a prefetched version of the resources already stored locally. -k]


 
Jesse Ruderman: Experience Google's new look
by Acidus at 11:10 pm EST, Mar 13, 2004

] I'm not gonna be satisfied until the computer knows what i
] want to look at based on correlating its semantic map with
] whatever i'm working on. If I happen to be reading a document
] about global warming affecting coastal sea bird populations, i
] want the computer to know that and be looking for related
] information before i ask it, so when i do ask for more, it's
] right there, sorted by subtopics at multiple levels, coded for
] relevance and preferably with a prefetched version of the
] resources already stored locally. -k]

Timball talk about something like this with me once. Some Linux/Gnome project or something.

Basically each X app had its own kind of RSS feed, about what was currently being "done" on that app. A central program simply compiled this info, and would look for relevant info, be it on your computer (meta info is your friend!), or do a google query. Tim said this thing got demoed at some Linux conference (don't know which one) and that they ran into some fundamental barrier with the number of searches 1 IP can send to google in a certain time span.

Who knows how vaporware this thing is, but its sounded cool.


  
RE: Jesse Ruderman: Experience Google's new look
by Decius at 12:40 am EST, Mar 14, 2004

Acidus wrote:
] Basically each X app had its own kind of RSS feed, about what
] was currently being "done" on that app.

Go to nat.org and click desktop.

Also google "remembrance agent"


  
RE: Jesse Ruderman: Experience Google's new look
by k at 11:54 am EST, Mar 14, 2004

Acidus wrote:
] Timball talk about something like this with me once. Some
] Linux/Gnome project so something.
]
] Basically each X app had its own kind of RSS feed, about what
] was currently being "done" on that app. A central program
] simply compiled this info, and would look for relevant info,
] be it on your computer (meta info is your friend!), or do a
] google query. Tim said this thing got demoed at some Linux
] conference (don't know which one) and that they ran into some
] fundamental barrier with the number of searches 1 IP can send
] to google in a certain time span.
]
] Who knows how vaporware this thing is, but its sounded cool.

[ Color me skeptical. For one thing, most of your data doesn't have any useful metadata, unless you put it there, and furthermore, google's not really the best thing to use when trying to determine the content of a document. It'll match keywords with other documents on the web, and it's reasonably smart about it, but i don't see a way to make it take my document and perform a semantic analysis on it. There's a lot of work going on in this area, but i don't think anything's broken past the basic experimentation level. I'd like to be proven wrong. -k]


   
RE: Jesse Ruderman: Experience Google's new look
by Acidus at 12:06 pm EST, Mar 14, 2004

] [ Color me skeptical. For one thing, most of your data
] doesn't have any useful metadata, unless you put it there, and
] furthermore, google's not really the best thing to use when
] trying to determine the content of a document. It'll match
] keywords with other documents on the web, and it's reasonably
] smart about it, but i don't see a way to make it take my
] document and perform a semantic analysis on it. There's a lot
] of work going on in this area, but i don't think anything's
] broken past the basic experimentation level. I'd like to be
] proven wrong. -k]

http://www.nat.org/dashboard/


    
RE: Jesse Ruderman: Experience Google's new look
by k at 12:14 pm EST, Mar 14, 2004

Acidus wrote:
] ] [ Color me skeptical. For one thing, most of your data
] ] doesn't have any useful metadata, unless you put it there,
] and
] ] furthermore, google's not really the best thing to use when
] ] trying to determine the content of a document. It'll match
] ] keywords with other documents on the web, and it's
] reasonably
] ] smart about it, but i don't see a way to make it take my
] ] document and perform a semantic analysis on it. There's a
] lot
] ] of work going on in this area, but i don't think anything's
] ] broken past the basic experimentation level. I'd like to be
]
] ] proven wrong. -k]
]
] http://www.nat.org/dashboard/

yeah, i tried to send you another message, but i was too late. i'll have to do some investigation on that...

it looks like it does some of the stuff i was talking about, though i don't see it doing semantic analysis which i think is gonna be necessary. Brute force queries are gonna reach a limit. -k]


Jesse Ruderman: Experience Google's new look
by Rattle at 8:08 pm EST, Mar 12, 2004

] Google has been testing a new look with a small percent
] of visitors. I wrote a bookmarklet that lets you make
] Google show you the new look:

Works for me.

] It works by changing the ID in your Google cookie to
] 102c51875a8839e9, the ID of one of the visitors Google
] randomly selected to test the new look. If your ID is
] already 102c51875a8839e9, it sets it 0000000000000000
] (anonymous), letting you switch between the old and new
] looks quickly. Since the bookmarklet only changes the ID
] part of the cookie, it preserves your settings, such as
] the number of results per page.

No opinion on the new look yet. I don't dislike it. Does this have any of the key controls Google was testing? I've always thought something "a"/"d" like hotkeys for paging through search results would be nice.

They have a version of Google with shortcut keys linked from the Google Labs page, but I did not really like how it worked. I want to navigate through Google like a FPS. :)


 
 
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