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Google Privacy Policy
by Decius at 10:42 pm EST, Feb 3, 2004

] Google notes and saves information such as
] time of day, browser type, browser language, and IP
] address with each query.
]
] Please be aware, however, that we will release specific
] personal information about you if required to do so in
] order to comply with any valid legal process such as a
] search warrant, subpoena, statute, or court order.

While everyone is freaking out about their Tivos, Jeremy mentioned a much more serious issue. The fact is that TV only shows you popular culture. There are limited circumstances where surveillance of TV watching habits would really be problematic politically. TV is the soma. The Internet, on the other hand, makes your local library look tame. Google knows everything that you've thought about seriously in past 5 years. And what Google knows, the police know.

If they don't need permission or notification to pull your records from the library, how long before they can do the same with your Google records?


 
RE: Google Privacy Policy
by Rattle at 1:55 pm EST, Feb 4, 2004

Decius wrote:
] While everyone is freaking out about their Tivos, Jeremy
] mentioned a much more serious issue. The fact is that TV only
] shows you popular culture. There are limited circumstances
] where surveillance of TV watching habits would really be
] problematic politically. TV is the soma. The Internet, on the
] other hand, makes your local library look tame. Google knows
] everything that you've thought about seriously in past 5
] years. And what Google knows, the police know.
]
] If they don't need permission or notification to pull your
] records from the library, how long before they can do the same
] with your Google records?

The linking of records cannot be prevented. The development of IT, if let run unrestrained, allows for total tracking of everything. Nanotech can turn us all into grey goo. At points fire probably caused a few people to get seriously hurt.. People will tell you its bad to play with all of the aforementioned.

I'm taking the same line as I did in the Patriot Act renewal thread. The powers of being able to link together certain records will exist, if by the capabilities of technology alone, and our challenge is figure out how we want this to work. That includes where we enforce certain "firewalls" and limitations.

There is much missing policy. This is because we have just as much missing philosophy. The technology is warping our ideas on privacy, its mutating our threats, and its giving us new capabilities. The only thing I am sure of, is that the only way to do good is to lead in the right direction.

Your TiVo tracks you, Google tracks you, your Easypass tracks you, your mass transit card(s) track you, your grocery card tracks you, your credit card tracks you, your atm card tracks you, and your computer owns you. Everything tracks you. You help it just by using it. Given a desire or requirement, it could all be linked.

If anyone still has ideas that its even possible to maintain some kind of "total privacy", they are living in a dreamland. Your various tokens and connections will compromise themselves, without you realizing it. If you have a Safeway card you went out of the way to register as "Customer" (as I have), its got compromised the first time you used your atm/credit card to buy something with it (as I most certainly have). If you sit on Friendster/Orkut/etc and just respond to requests, at least a chunk of your social network will come to you all by itself. Just wait till bill scanners can track serial numbers.. Look at your blog, and embrace the grey goo that is your privacy. There is no escape!

This must be embraced, there is no turning back. It can be used to empower or oppress. I vote for empower, and that's why I work on systems like MemeStreams and get so concerned about Patriot Act like issues. I think that just like every other advance that has been disruptive, this one just ne... [ Read More (0.3k in body) ]


 
RE: Google Privacy Policy
by Acidus at 3:42 pm EST, Feb 4, 2004

] other hand, makes your local library look tame. Google knows
] everything that you've thought about seriously in past 5
] years. And what Google knows, the police know.
]
] If they don't need permission or notification to pull your
] records from the library, how long before they can do the same
] with your Google records?

Just pollute the database so it will not matter

I propose a "Google Polluter." A program that runs on your machine and queries google once every 3-4 minutes with fun FED friendly phrases ("wtb slave labor", "hot GWB on GHB action", etc). In fact, once you fake a 3 way handshake, you could send fake queries from any IP.


  
RE: Google Privacy Policy
by Decius at 4:38 pm EST, Feb 4, 2004

Acidus wrote:
] Just pollute the database so it will not matter
]
] I propose a "Google Polluter." A program that runs on your
] machine and queries google once every 3-4 minutes with fun FED
] friendly phrases ("wtb slave labor", "hot GWB on GHB action",
] etc). In fact, once you fake a 3 way handshake, you could send
] fake queries from any IP.

This is an excellent idea. A webpage and a win32 tool that does this would promote awareness about the privacy concerns associated with search engine logs. A version that worked with multiple search sites would prevent unfairly focusing on Google.


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