Create an Account
username: password:
 
  MemeStreams Logo

MemeStreams Discussion

search


This page contains all of the posts and discussion on MemeStreams referencing the following web page: Too Much Power. You can find discussions on MemeStreams as you surf the web, even if you aren't a MemeStreams member, using the Threads Bookmarklet.

Too Much Power
by Rattle at 7:11 pm EST, Jan 3, 2004

The FBI now has more power to compel ... with no court oversight and in nearly total secrecy.

Congress should be finding ways to curtail the use [of authority], not expand it.

Now, to issue a national security letter, the FBI merely has to certify that the information is "relevant" to a national security investigation.

This is more unchecked power than the agency ought to have ...

... Congress has taken action that really is worth worrying about.

I'm not sure this was "Patriot II", but I think it reveals what the strategy is for "Patriot II" is.. Do it slowly, redefine one thing at a time, and we will not notice or think it is significant.


 
RE: Too Much Power
by flynn23 at 9:59 am EST, Jan 5, 2004

Rattle wrote:
] The FBI now has more power to compel ... with no court
] oversight
and in nearly total secrecy.
]
] Congress should be finding ways to curtail the use [of
] authority], not expand it.
]
] Now, to issue a national security letter, the FBI merely has
] to certify that the information is "relevant" to a national
] security investigation.
]
] This is more unchecked power than the agency ought to have ...
]
]
] ... Congress has taken action that really is worth worrying
] about
.

]
]
] I'm not sure this was "Patriot II", but I think it reveals
] what the strategy is for "Patriot II" is.. Do it slowly,
] redefine one thing at a time, and we will not notice or think
] it is significant.

Does anyone have the voting record for this bill? I've looked on Thomas, but can't seem to find it. Googling also has revealed nothing.


  
Voting Record for HR 2417 RE: Too Much Power
by Decius at 1:15 am EST, Jan 6, 2004

flynn23 wrote:
] Does anyone have the voting record for this bill? I've looked
] on Thomas, but can't seem to find it. Googling also has
] revealed nothing.

The house voting record is the main URL linked from this meme. The Senate did a voice vote, so there is no record.

This page claims Senate support was unanimous:
http://roberts.senate.gov/11-21b-2003.htm

Here are the critical comments about the law that were entered into the record in the house (more on this site if you click on the double arrows at the top of the page):
http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/2003_cr/h112203.html

Here is the complete Thomas timeline for this thing:
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d108:HR02417:@@@X

Voting Record for HR 2417 RE: Too Much Power


Too Much Power
by Jeremy at 4:21 pm EST, Jan 3, 2004

The FBI now has more power to compel ... with no court oversight and in nearly total secrecy.

Congress should be finding ways to curtail the use [of authority], not expand it.

Now, to issue a national security letter, the FBI merely has to certify that the information is "relevant" to a national security investigation.

This is more unchecked power than the agency ought to have ...

... Congress has taken action that really is worth worrying about.

The Washington Post is not pleased.


There are redundant posts not displayed in this view from the following users: Neoteric, Laughing Boy.
 
 
Powered By Industrial Memetics